Terror Plot Foiled

cleanbluesky said:
Society does. But society also defines trial by jury as 'fair'... what is intrinsicly more appropriate about trial by jury, compared to covert-ops executions if they were recognised as justified by the will of society...
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Trial by jury is oversight of the judiciary by the people, which in turn is the next step in the process - Government passes laws, police enforce the law, the judge decides if there is anything to answer to.

Covert, unaccountable operations are just that - unaccountable. It's naive to assume that, even if in one situation, the ends justify the means, that it would continue to do so for an instant.

Which is why we have accountability and oversight - Because people lie, because they are self-serving, because there are motives often less than altruistic.
 
Zip said:
Strange that i stick up for the government most the time in this Thread.
Even Dirty dog said i was a model Citizen :)
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The police are not the Government - They are part of the government.

The distinction may be small in letters (capital versus lower case), but the significance is giant.
 
Borris said:
The police are not the Government - They are part of the government.

The distinction may be small in letters (capital versus lower case), but the significance is giant.
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Ive been sticking up for both if you read from the start :)
 
Anyone else see this sort of thing as a sign that V for Vendetta isn't that unlikely a possible scenario in the future?

Don't worry I don't doubt our government and support all their actions but it would be far too easy for this to be sort of, well, staged.
 
Zefan said:
Anyone else see this sort of thing as a sign that V for Vendetta isn't that unlikely a possible scenario in the future?
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Was just think that earlier, some of the viewpoints on here are frightning, they would quite happily have us led down that path.

Cape and Mask at the ready.
 
Zefan said:
Anyone else see this sort of thing as a sign that V for Vendetta isn't that unlikely a possible scenario in the future?

Don't worry I don't doubt our government and support all their actions but it would be far too easy for this to be sort of, well, staged.
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V said:
Oh I understand why you did it, it was fear...
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Zip said:
Ive been sticking up for both if you read from the start :)
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No - You've been promoting the demolition of due process, on the assumption that the police / security services are a benevolent force with a vested interest in our safety and security.

That is not their job, and is, also, palpably untrue.
 
Borris said:
No - You've been promoting the demolition of due process, on the assumption that the police / security services are a benevolent force with a vested interest in our safety and security.

That is not their job, and is, also, palpably untrue.
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Did you not see my posts when Dirty Dog and a Few other kept saying how they keep failing and how they dont trust them?
 
Borris said:
Trial by jury is oversight of the judiciary by the people, which in turn is the next step in the process - Government passes laws, police enforce the law, the judge decides if there is anything to answer to.

Covert, unaccountable operations are just that - unaccountable. It's naive to assume that, even if in one situation, the ends justify the means, that it would continue to do so for an instant.

Which is why we have accountability and oversight - Because people lie, because they are self-serving, because there are motives often less than altruistic.
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Very well said.

In the 20th century alone we have more examples than we need of countries controlled by Despotic and Totallitarian Government Systems. Unfortunately some people on here seem all to ready to let the hard won social and political 'freedoms' that took Centuries of struggle to achieve. It would be interesting to see their reactions the day they are arrested because the Police Officer took a dislike to them because of the way they were dressed, and were then imprisoned for an indeterminate number of years without any recourse to protest innocence or complain.
 
Zip said:
Did you not see my posts when Dirty Dog and a Few other kept saying how they keep failing and how they dont trust them?
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dirtydog is not an AUTHORITY he's a simply just another poster here with views that may or may not be correct.
 
TheMightyTen said:
Shoot to kill Policy, Gibralter, 6 March 1988 is all I can say to that. The IRA Cell should have been put on trial not executed out of hand
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There was no shoot to kill policy. The policy was to react to the threat and remove it, how can one shoot to injure?

dirtydog said:
We cannot 'defeat' terrorism through military means - Blair recognised that with the IRA after all.
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Thats not entirely true. Military wise, the security services knew who were causing the problems and where they were. Military speaking, taking them out was easy. However, the aftermath (like Gibraltar) would have been major poo, which is why it was always going to end politically.

Back OT... Not sure what to make of todays news, i think there maybe a little too much hype going on but it's always best to play it safe. Let's see how it progresses before we all throw conspiracy theories around or hang the 21 suspects...
 
Sleepy said:
dirtydog is not an AUTHORITY he's a simply just another poster here with views that may or may not be correct.
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FFS Stop putting words in my mouth.
I NEVER EVER SAID DIRTY DOG WAS AN AUTHORITY!!!

I said i was Sticking up for the Government and the Authorities when Dirty Dog was saying that they are Possibly Lying
 
More Federal Air Marshells to be sent to the UK to increase safety on transatlantic flights (Head of Dept of Homeland Security - press conference)
 
Well im watching a news conference on BBC NEWS 24 in the USA with the Dept of Homeland Security and he said it could be al Qaeda, not just in the UK, world wide.
 
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