Terror Plot Foiled

Sumanji said:
Right, so why is Iraq edging towards civil war right now?

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Because there is a group of people that keep attacking every one over there and the others dont like it
 
mightynimrod said:
I thought you might be having a baby blue tree this year -oh well, pink it is ;)

You wouldn't like my gas and air at the moment....damn im more of a threat to national security at the moment....phaaaaaarp......GAS MASKS EVERYONE!

Wishful thinking on the tree. I would like a son, I would like 5 kids and I thought the wife was up for it but recently she seems less keen lol.

I have a gasmask kicking around someone anda charcoal suit and some fullers earth, I'll be ok :p
 
Sumanji said:
Right, so why all of a sudden are we now America's lap dog? I find it rather insulting that a foreign power (be it American or any other) has a say in how and when the armed forces of my country are deployed.

At the time of the Falklands America had the cold war and Russia to deal with.

If America had gone into war with us to the Falklands, there would be a good chance that Russia would've gotten involved as well, that would've been disasterous.

Old Thatcher went in single handedly - the Falklands were, after all our islands.
 
VIRII said:
I don't think I agree. It might be that it is simply because the IRA threat has gone now but there is something about the suicide bombing of tube trains that seems more frightening than the IRA ever were.

Hmm the IRA was responsible for a lot of English deaths, and caused great concern and fright. I agree that it may seem more dramatic and a more real threat now but this can, I think and would argue, could be put down to modern journalism and 'hype' around the war on terror etc
 
VIRII said:
Wishful thinking on the tree. I would like a son, I would like 5 kids and I thought the wife was up for it but recently she seems less keen lol.

Damn, no nookie for old VIRII ;) 2 strikes.......YOUR OUT! ;) LOL

I have a gasmask kicking around someone anda charcoal suit and some fullers earth, I'll be ok :p


Nah, you wont...COUGH/SPLUTTER :D
 
Sumanji said:
Right, so why is Iraq edging towards civil war right now?
Because some very, very hard line extremeists do not want a democracy but want Islamic rule. Factor that in with the fact that most of the oil is in the hands of one Islamic sect (sunnis I think) and that the other sect (shia) are going to be virtually penniless if the oil is split that way and you have all you need for a civil war.

Warring religious sects, extremeists stirring up trouble between the sects, an awful lot of money at stake ...
 
Biohazard said:
Hmm the IRA was responsible for a lot of English deaths, and caused great concern and fright. I agree that it may seem more dramatic and a more real threat now but this can, I think and would argue, could be put down to modern journalism and 'hype' around the war on terror etc

Even when we were posted to NI it did not seem as "real" as this. Even though we had to check the car for bombs and my Father never went anywhere without his sidearms and we had a loaded 9mm in the house and a "panic room" it did not seem as serious as this.
 
mightynimrod said:
If America had gone into war with us to the Falklands, there would be a good chance that Russia would've gotten involved as well, that would've been disasterous.
Rubbish. The argies were a bunch of facists who murdered anyone they even thought was a leftie. As if the Russians would help them not that they had the capability to project force into the S Atlantic
 
I was due to fly today, they said it may be cancelled, turned out it wasn't, I am posting from the plane headng to LGW right now!
 
Sumanji said:
Right, so why is Iraq edging towards civil war right now?




That America only attack when there is something in it for them (the Bagdhad McDonald's is a firm testament to that), and the enemy is weak and fragmented. And that we only join in when they tell us to.

What's worse? A stable country with hundreds of thousands being killed by the government every year for little or no reason, or the possibility of a civil war in a country which could improve greatly whilst being helped by the most successful countries the world has ever seen? At a time when the civilians are now free.

There are thousands of US and UK forces all around the world, in many different countries. Not just Iraq and Afghanistan. They are the worlds police force in many different ways.

A McDonalds in Iraq is a laughble probable cause for the liberation, so i'll ignore that and say...

Of course America will only attack where the enemy is weak and fragmented. In those situations, there is a high chance of success with a low loss of innocent lives in the short term. I disagree that the US ONLY attack when there is something in it for them. These wars have cost billions upon billions. It will take a long time to recoup that money.
 
mightynimrod said:
Old Thatcher went in single handedly - the Falklands were, after all our islands.

Defending a land of ours from invasion by a foreign power, right?

The ONLY solid good reason for putting men and women of our own in the line of fire.


VIRII said:
Because some very, very hard line extremeists do not want a democracy but want Islamic rule...

Saddam was a jackass (there you go, word used just for you :p) but how many more will now die in the crossfire caused by this rift? And the only way we can prevent it? By laying down the lives of British and American servicemen to protect their people.

Seriously it hurts me real bad everytime I see the "Brtish servicemen killed at checkpoint by suicide car bomber" headline. To die on foreign soil fighting to "free" someone else's nation :( gutting.
 
VIRII said:
Even when we were posted to NI it did not seem as "real" as this. Even though we had to check the car for bombs and my Father never went anywhere without his sidearms and we had a loaded 9mm in the house and a "panic room" it did not seem as serious as this.
Back then you were young, now your an adult with a family. Also I do think there is a bit of the old rose tinted specs here.
 
Sumanji said:
Defending a land of ours from invasion by a foreign power, right?

The ONLY solid good reason for putting men and women of our own in the line of fire.




Saddam was a jackass (there you go, word used just for you :p) but how many more will now die in the crossfire caused by this rift? And the only way we can prevent it? By laying down the lives of British and American servicemen to protect their people.

Seriously it hurts me real bad everytime I see the "Brtish servicemen killed at checkpoint by suicide car bomber" headline. To die on foreign soil fighting to "free" someone else's nation :( gutting.

my father was in the navy in the falklands his ship was hit and sunk, he lost many friends. Such a pointless loss for something that didn't belong to us, nothing more than hills. Why bother? (Other than election results...)
 
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