Texture pop, poor draw distance, AA, LOD and tessellation, shadow flashing

Speed said:
I would probably suggest against Windows 11, it has its fair share of performance issues so you are better sticking with a mature OS. Even the fixed Ryzen issues apparently come back if you swap CPU.

What BIOS version are you using?

Memory might be a good shout, especially with the timing changes. Have you run Memtest on the memory? Memtest86+ via a USB stick for at least 2 or more passes with no errors should be enough. Might take a fair few hours with 32GB though so keep that in mind. If you get any errors you'll want to ideally tweak your settings and retest rather than leave it running.

Have you tried a clean install on a spare empty SSD? If not you'll want it to be as bare bones as possible. Latest version of Windows 10 from the Media Creation tool installed via a known good USB stick, latest X570 motherboard chipset drivers from the AMD site, GPU drivers from the Nvidia and just the game client for the games are you testing.
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That's a good shout actually... Could just buy a 120gb ssd or something, install a copy of Windows on that would save me having to reinstall 100's of games and apps (if it solves nothing).

I'll also try memtest, however I've done about an hour of blend test (which I find usually bsods or stops with bad ram timings instantly).

I've never updated the chipset driver, just the bios. I tend to only do mobo updates when needed to do a new part as find the update process scary due to crappy software usually.
I can get chipset drivers direct from amd?

I just find it really strange most of these issues are repeatable in exactly the same area though... What could that mean? It's like it.... Can't quite do the math, like it keeps on doing 2+2=5 or something.

It initially made me think maybe an ssd issue (corrupted data etc), however it's doing it over games on 3 different SSD's.
 
slim01 said:
Can't quite do the math, like it keeps on doing 2+2=5 or something.
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It's that for very large values of 2...
https://www.straightdope.com/21342521/does-2-2-5-for-very-large-values-of-2

And common factor for all these problems is definitely graphics rendering pipeline.
Software/hardware problem outside that would cause issues in everything and not just in graphics, but you haven't told anything about non-graphics problems.
While bug in GPU drivers, or its interaction with hardware can well make textures flicker etc.
 
EsaT said:
It's that for very large values of 2...
https://www.straightdope.com/21342521/does-2-2-5-for-very-large-values-of-2

And common factor for all these problems is definitely graphics rendering pipeline.
Software/hardware problem outside that would cause issues in everything and not just in graphics, but you haven't told anything about non-graphics problems.
While bug in GPU drivers, or its interaction with hardware can well make textures flicker etc.
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What do you mean when you say pipeline? Isn't the mobo like the pipeline, as its taking the info from cpu, ram, ssd, and gpu back and forth then back out of the gpu port? Probably to complicated for me to work out. What would you suggest trying?

I guess if I could find someone with a 3070ti, or 3080, knowing they use the same drivers, see if they have the same issue? If yes. Obvious driver error.
 
I think at this stage you've ruled out the GPU hardware (at least on its own) as being the culprit. The odds of having two-three different model / SKU cards from different vendors with the same exact hardware fault would be astronomical. I'd instead focus on the easier to test stuff first like settings, GPU drivers and software; testing again after each change.

Do you have Resizable BAR enabled? It might have turned on when you updated the BIOS. If so turn it off. Should be able to find out if its on in GPU-Z and turn it off within the BIOS settings.

Make sure the motherboard BIOS is the latest (4021 from what the Asus site states). Once updated and booted into Windows completely reset it to defaults by shutting down, turning off the PSU at the rocker switch, removing flea power by holding the power button in for 30+ second and then removing the CMOS battery for a few minutes.

Do that fresh install I mentioned and see if the problem remains. Any cheap SATA SSD would work, doesn't have to be NVME. Just saves messing up your install if it isn't the solution.

Test the memory with Memtest86 / Memtest86+ (I've seen some crazy odd things caused by faulty memory including graphical issues).

If you did insist on getting another GPU I'd probably suggest a AMD RX6000 series card. Just so its a different design, drivers and so forth.
 
I'm baffled.

I've now tried...
-mobo bios is latest: 4021
-memtest completed OK.
-brand new ssd with fresh copy of w10.
-downloaded most recent AMD chipset and gpu drivers.
-tried gpu in both gpu slots.
-run gpu in pcie 3.0 mode (same as when I had it working before with a riser and 3070).
-set trc timing to correct JDEC (all other settings as DOCP settings).

Thanks speed.
-Noticed on gpuz it says my card is not physx capable, is that still even used?
-gpuz says resizable bar is disabled.
-amd card sounds like a good idea at this point.


Next steps...
-try and see if I can test directx somehow as that could have updated badly or not playing ball with a part (current version 12_2).
-turn ON resizable bar see if anything changes.
-try with reverted mobo bios, if can figure out the earliest 5800x was supported, and if I brick it:
-a new mobo.
-try new psu.
-diagnose properly and unplug sound card, all fans, use one stick of memory in each slot (annoying as have to lift cpu cooler and repaste to do this).

I honestly think it's the mobo: let's be honest dropping a screwdriver on it and bending it trying to get 3080ti out couldn't have done it any good.

Well it's really easy to test as, every, single, game has one or several of above issues.

Just loaded up age of empires 4. Waited like a decade for this... its not unplayable but its damn ugly; some of the shadows are constantly shimmering and blocky, some of the trees pop in and out of high/low textures when they enter the top 30% of the screen and same as the grass in horizon, the tiny blades have like bad AA making them look like noisy/shimmery.
 
Ok just confirmed with a mate he has the exact same tree popping textures in AOE 4. But not the flashy shadows, which tbh are rare.

Could nvidia have screwed up their drivers by any chance?
I'm gonna see if I can find someone with Horizon Zero Dawn to see if they have experienced same thing as me.

Anyone know how to download old drivers from nvidia site? Can't see how, and my 3070 was fine on this game so as 3000 series all seem to share the same driver an old known working driver would put the nail in that coffin at least.

P. S
I know someone suggested using benchmark tool but I've found shadows to flash on those even with known working systems.
 
martynana00 said:
Is the screen ok in other uses?//
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Have tried several screens with different cables including hdmi and display port.


Honestly I have no god damn idea what's going on I've now spend 2 days off work trying to fix it and nothing... I just don't get how a new Windows install, new drivers, could not fix an issue such as this. I'm so annoyed
 
slim01 said:
Could nvidia have screwed up their drivers by any chance?
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Despite of public religious dogma that Nvidia's drivers are always good (and AMD's bad) Nvidia has even had drivers literally burning cards.
Those facts just get always swept under the carpet/buried fast.

Glitching textures/objects are exactly type of problems what some type driver bugs cause. (though bugs in game can also cause such)
During my 25 years of PC use have seen such problems one or twice... And then had those fixed in drivers.


When testing any drivers because of problems, disable automatic driver updates of Wintoys.
It could force install any buggy drivers it wants over functioning drivers.
 
EsaT said:
Despite of public religious dogma that Nvidia's drivers are always good (and AMD's bad) Nvidia has even had drivers literally burning cards.
Those facts just get always swept under the carpet/buried fast.

Glitching textures/objects are exactly type of problems what some type driver bugs cause. (though bugs in game can also cause such)
During my 25 years of PC use have seen such problems one or twice... And then had those fixed in drivers.


When testing any drivers because of problems, disable automatic driver updates of Wintoys.
It could force install any buggy drivers it wants over functioning drivers.
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Great idea and great thinking... Alas, however, I expected windows might have tried that after coming out of safe mode, and confirmed the specific driver number matches the one I installed (using gpu-z) directly before launching a game.

What would you do then, test every single driver from nvidia? I've done a few but not all.

And do or CAN the BIOS or chipset drivers IN ANY WAY interfere with 3D graphics tasks? Doesn't the chipset driver itself control what's going to/from the cpu - mem - gpu?
 
Someone else asked me elsewhere something that might be useful to know:

I used the Asus "EZ flash" from Windows OS, and the E and Z cannot stand for easy... It was the shadiest thing I've ever seen by asus. Horrible software.
I never update my bios unless needed, so it was stock bios probs.

Didn't even work the first time I tried (said driver not recognised or valid or something) when I tried to install the lastest one, then failed again when I tried the first bios version I saw with "cpu support updated". I tried that again, and it worked. It restarted, in the bios then it updated slowly and painfully for 5 mins, then back into windows.

I think then I Tried again the most recent one and finally it started to pre load it or something as before (whilst in Windows), then restarted, installed and I was on the latest bios.

I'm about 90% sure I did that twice. Then dropped in the 5800x and 3080ti, played some games for can't remember a good 30hrs or so on alien fireteam no issues, then 10hrs or so on Horizon, and noted a FEW issues of poor draw distance and pop of horizon but not major, later got the 3070ti INSTALLED DRIVERS AGAIN, NOTING THEY HAD THE EXACT SAME FILE NAME (idiot) in my downloads folder afterwards, and that's when I really started walking around thinking this ain't right... What a poop gpu... But it wasn't gpu.


Thanks for your insight, means a lot.
 
I haven't read every reply but I've read the entire opening post. My guess is that yanking the GPU out of the pcie slot has caused damage to the mobo in a way that is affecting both pcie slots.

The only other thing it could be is graphics drivers but if you done a completely fresh install of win10 and GPU drivers then it can't be that. Just for the sake of thoroughness you could try another fresh win10 install followed by an even older graphics driver version but I doubt it will work since you already tried a previously-working driver version and that didn't fix it.
 
Ormy1 said:
I haven't read every reply but I've read the entire opening post. My guess is that yanking the GPU out of the pcie slot has caused damage to the mobo in a way that is affecting both pcie slots.

The only other thing it could be is graphics drivers but if you done a completely fresh install of win10 and GPU drivers then it can't be that. Just for the sake of thoroughness you could try another fresh win10 install followed by an even older graphics driver version but I doubt it will work since you already tried a previously-working driver version and that didn't fix it.
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Yeah I thought that, so I have another asus x570-p (same mobo) on the way to see if it fixes it.

A few people have said though if there was damage I'd get BSODs or much worse issues. But it does seem quite suspect that this was noticed RIGHT after I took/yanked out the 3080ti and put in the 3070ti... Or else I never would have sold the 3080ti to someone.

Some guys on another thread seem to think it's because I updated the mobo bios from Windows using asus EZ flash, as that's something you should never ever do apparently.
I always thought the bios was only responsible for exactly that though - the basic checks during post before it hands everything over to windows.

But guys here know their stuff. Flashing the bios again now (from the bios) as we speak.
 
Just in case anyone here wants to see videos:

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Texture pop less than one metre, and see though holes (Inc map to where most of these videos are, but this happens everywhere)...
https://streamable.com/ryexqm

Holes in textures on cliff Wall
https://streamable.com/d53ot4

Really bad tessellation
https://streamable.com/i46xxf

Texture pop on rocks, close range radial
https://streamable.com/nd51mr

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This is from the campfire just south of devil's grief, Aloy facing east:
Flashy and glitchy shadows
https://streamable.com/y7fgnz

Texture pop on icicles? in the cave hoard, by banuk encampment
https://streamable.com/fyivjt

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I've got many more vids, also same things happening in other games, but quality is really bad on upload site there and can't be arsed unless you guys wanna see. Or have my phone number to WhatsApp easily lol.
I just checked you can only send pics on steam.
 
slim01 said:
A few people have said though if there was damage I'd get BSODs or much worse issues.
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I would tend to agree, but the timing works out as you said and it looks like you've eliminated pretty much every other possibility. "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

slim01 said:
Some guys on another thread seem to think it's because I updated the mobo bios from Windows using asus EZ flash, as that's something you should never ever do apparently.
I always thought the bios was only responsible for exactly that though - the basic checks during post before it hands everything over to windows.
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It's possible, the BIOS also handles the low-level communications between different components like storage devices and PCIE devices and the CPU. They are right that you should never update BIOS from within windows.

Do let us know whether either the BIOS flash or a new mobo fixes the issue.
 
Ormy1 said:
I would tend to agree, but the timing works out as you said and it looks like you've eliminated pretty much every other possibility. "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."



It's possible, the BIOS also handles the low-level communications between different components like storage devices and PCIE devices and the CPU. They are right that you should never update BIOS from within windows.

Do let us know whether either the BIOS flash or a new mobo fixes the issue.
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The bios flashback has caused all kinds of issues... Again I'm starting to think this mobo is very screwed.

So took me hours to get the bios rolled back (kept saying "file is not a bios file" or something (it was). Turns out I can only jump back like 2 steps in a bios backdate. I tried like 6, 5, 4, 3 then worked on 2.

After that, it wouldn't let me install gpu driver... Kept on failing.

Then... After backdating bios a few more steps back, I get the message on windows splash screen: "it looks like something went wrong with your pin, click here to set another".
Except when I do that, type in my password then mobile no, I never get a text to reset it.

I turn the security boot thing in bios to eufi mode, same issue. Change it to "other os" which is was on before, same issue.


I'm having to reinstall windows again now. Hopefully can then install the gpu driver.
 
I remember for horizon zero dawn it needed the PCIE slot to be running at the maximum speed so check your bios. I would also remove any programs that have overlays or disable them. Like discord, steam, and Xbox windows.
 
eeii said:
I remember for horizon zero dawn it needed the PCIE slot to be running at the maximum speed so check your bios. I would also remove any programs that have overlays or disable them. Like discord, steam, and Xbox windows.
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Yeah tried in pcie4.0 slot running at pcie4.0 x 16 and same issue.

Same issue on new system, must be game software issue.

Interesting you say about removing apps with overlays like steam though... If no steam or xbox app, how would you even launch the game? Can you launch it without opening steam somehow?
 
Hi guys thought I'd give an update as been testing on brand new system, not a single part used from the old system, pc in different power socket in diff room.
issues persist on 3/4 games tested so far.
Horizon - all issues.
Spellforce - shadow flash and poor AA in those areas only.
Ff xv - shadows flashing, poor draw and bad AA.
Hellblade - lod/pop and shadows/AA, all fixed. **note this game has recently been updated**

Games below tested (3 out of ttl of 10 games I'm testing).

So a few guys on the horizon forum are saying the issues wouldn't bother them so I'm starting to think the virus is in my brain despite even the Mrs saying it looks bad .

Can you guys can confirm this stuff really wouldn't bother you, you do see it often (basically every game in some shape or form), and that is how we expect shadows/textures/jaggies to be rendered nowadays?
I'll put this to bed then and accept its just me.

Been gaming for like 30years and honestly can't think of why it's not bothered me before (even though I have amblyopia/lazy eye and so my one eye is quite sensitive to flashing):

Ffxv flashing shadows and textures:
https://streamable.com/mbe84n

Spellforce 3 flashing shadows:
https://streamable.com/4aan6h

Ffxv flashing/moving jaggies, bad AA
https://streamable.com/gg81ij

Comanche all trees have flashing shadows (confirmed via YouTube vids this isn't normal but not the best quality game compared to the rest tbh):
https://streamable.com/53f9bm


Cheers for all advice so far guys
 
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