TF2 advice

[div0]

I hate Snipers... but its hardly because I cant aim. Yes, getting killed by Snipers is annoying but then again getting killed by a lot of classes is annoying!

I hate Snipers because all they do is park themselves at the back somewhere and kill. Theyre not defending or attacking, theyre just trying to get a decent score. I very rarely see one defending a point or capping a point unlike every other class.

But that's the beauty of TF2!!! If they aren't assisting teammates and are just sitting isolated on their own, then just go spy or scout and they have no chance.

A sniper is obviously never going to be the first one on to the capture point - but that doesn't mean they aren't helping their team to attack/defend.

A sniper that is playing for his own score is usually very easy to kill. A sniper that is playing a proper team game and assisting his team mates is often a very frustrating opponent.

TF2 is a team game and you'll always come up against a frustrating opponent, no matter what class he's playing as. But there are so many things you can do to overcome this. As an individual you can swap classes to one that is particularly suited to killing that opponent (for example scouts, spys and snipers are good at getting revenge on a sniper). But by far the easiest way to get revenge on someone, is to play as a team. No one individual can do anything to stop a good team.

A sniper who sits at the back and only thinks of his own score will only end up with a good score if you and your team play like a bunch of idiots and walk out one at a time into his target area.

 

[Skeeter]

Nothing beats the feeling you get when you headshot a scout in mid air with the sniper!

 

[Pulsar_GTI]

What i was doing the other day was healing a medic and he was healing a heavy .... okay i never got any point for it as the other two were getting them but we could stretch around the corners and our team captured the point

^^^ agreed with skeeter

 

[EddScott]

ive added eddscott and skeeter

You are my 2nd friend Woohoo! Some good battles on Fort. Got bored in the end and went to 24/7 dustbowl. Feel like it takes ages to rotate to another map.

Plus the lag was horrible. Such a pain trying to snipe someone and they suddenly jump a few feet.

 

[EddScott]

Nothing beats the feeling you get when you headshot a scout in mid air with the sniper!

Agreed! They think they are just too fast for you and on fort its usually a scout jumping over the bridge at the start. To headshot him as he jumps for your side is very cool.

I think I like dustbowl because there are some great spots to snipe from. Have to say though although I got bored of 2Fort, I did enjoy the first game. Awesome with the sound turned up and 3 heavies making their way over bridge. Gets the blood going when your just over the bridge with the intel on your back - nearly home

 

[DJammyRasta]

hehehe so by your understanding if both teams agreed to not have any snipers then the game would be a lot better

The clan im in does have a very good sniper... he can defend a point... he can even attack a point (although i still think there isn't a single situation where a couple of rockets would do just as well)

and on public servers im happy for him to play as a sniper.. but there is no chance in hell on a match on 2fort (the most popular sniper map im sure) am i letting him be a sniper.. u only have 8 men on a side, and a sniper just doesn't have enough goin for him.. yes he can get a kill if hidden behind a meat shield... but he cant really defend the flag, nor can he defend himself when on the offence

and this is my point against the sniper... he might get the first kill.. but after that the opponents will still push up and at close range he is useless... a soldier is a much more alround class.. he might not be able to 1 hit a heavy... but he also wont be 1 hitted when at close range

ive forgotten what i was talking about now... i think i meant to talk about pyro's but all the sniper talk sidetracked me... umm run away is the best thing the pyro's range is pretty lame... a medic even with their joke of a weapon that is the syringe gun can kite a pyro foolish enough not to use the shotgun.. if you do get flamed jump in the drink, there is health in a sewers and its actually a good route to take as its usually a lot less defended

 

[Rezident]

The other thing ( which isnt so easy ) is to find decent team mates . . .

Yeah, that'd be nice alright - the amount of time's I'm Medic, healing someone, saving their life, and as soon as someone attacks me, they just merrily keep on doing what they're doing, ignoring me and my attacker.

For the love of all that's good and holy, Protect your Medic!

 

[Skeeter]

Yeah, that'd be nice alright - the amount of time's I'm Medic, healing someone, saving their life, and as soon as someone attacks me, they just merrily keep on doing what they're doing, ignoring me and my attacker.

For the love of all that's good and holy, Protect your Medic!

Or there is the other scenario, when you uber someone so they can make an assault, and just as you do then run and hide or go get some ammo or something stupid!

 

[EddScott]

Or there is the other scenario, when you uber someone so they can make an assault, and just as you do then run and hide or go get some ammo or something stupid!

Thats happened to me a couple of times. I notice a medic is healing me (I'm a heavy) and is close to Uber and I've got barely any mini-gun ammo. Panic dash for a dispenser or cache.

 

[Anim]

You can just pause the uber as medic by switching weapons, it'll stay on whatever % it ran down to until you switch back to medgun and carry on ubering.

 

[Fr0dders]

ahh ill have to remember that

nice trick

can you also switch who you uber if they run out of ammo ?

 

[Durzel]

http://www.ubercharged.net/2007/12/...am-fortress-2-team-weighted-companion-sniper/

 

[Anim]

Whoever you are healing will get the uber, until you heal someone else and they'll gain the uber effect too. If you arent ubering someone they lose it after about 1.5 secs, so you can technically have 2-3 people uber'd at one time with practice, this is how its done in matches anyway on a lot of maps Uber group of win (as we play high level comp's with a limit of 1 medic).

 

[Phal]

But that's the beauty of TF2!!! If they aren't assisting teammates and are just sitting isolated on their own, then just go spy or scout and they have no chance.

A sniper is obviously never going to be the first one on to the capture point - but that doesn't mean they aren't helping their team to attack/defend.

A sniper that is playing for his own score is usually very easy to kill. A sniper that is playing a proper team game and assisting his team mates is often a very frustrating opponent.

TF2 is a team game and you'll always come up against a frustrating opponent, no matter what class he's playing as. But there are so many things you can do to overcome this. As an individual you can swap classes to one that is particularly suited to killing that opponent (for example scouts, spys and snipers are good at getting revenge on a sniper). But by far the easiest way to get revenge on someone, is to play as a team. No one individual can do anything to stop a good team.

A sniper who sits at the back and only thinks of his own score will only end up with a good score if you and your team play like a bunch of idiots and walk out one at a time into his target area.

Dont care how good a Sniper is or how much of a team player he is, hes stil la weak link in your team. There isnt a map where I would choose a sniper for a my team over any other class.

It was the same in TFC and its the same now.





As for being a Medic, the key is finding someone to work with. If you can find a decent Soldier / HW to pair up with and you can talk to each other using voice coms, its pretty deadly

When I heal my mate as a soldier, I tell him when I need health and we go together or he plays more cautiously whilst im away. I act as a second pair of eyes for him and direct him to people trying to get behind us whilst I dance around to make it harder to get hit. Then when the ubers are ready then you can time things better and make sure hes full reloaded before going round a corner to kill something/someone.

 

[div0]

Dont care how good a Sniper is or how much of a team player he is, hes stil la weak link in your team. There isnt a map where I would choose a sniper for a my team over any other class.

I agree that other classes are generally more useful.

But you and others have posted about how frustrating snipers are. I just don't understand how you can say that they are so annoying and then say that they are a weak link?!

If they are on the opposition and are a weak link, then I doubt you'd find it annoying. If they are on your team and are a weak link, then that would be annoying - but they are most likely a weak link because they are just not very good at the game, not because they happen to be a sniper.

I would never play an entire map as a sniper, because they have limited use (but I would hardly ever play an entire map as the same class). There is no doubt that there are times on quite a few maps when playing a few rounds as a sniper can give your team a huge boost.

You may feel more confident that you and your friends can play together without the need for a sniper. That's fine, no one is forcing you to use a sniper.

I refer back to your original comment that I was posting about...

I hate Snipers... but its hardly because I cant aim. Yes, getting killed by Snipers is annoying but then again getting killed by a lot of classes is annoying!

I hate Snipers because all they do is park themselves at the back somewhere and kill. Theyre not defending or attacking, theyre just trying to get a decent score. I very rarely see one defending a point or capping a point unlike every other class.

Why so much dislike for snipers then?

Sounds to me like you just don't like playing with people who play differently to how you think the game should be played!

If that's the case, you just need to stop playing public

 

[Fr0dders]

some people are just sore about them

in exactly the same way people whinges about the AWP in CS

thank god nobodys developed a serverside mod for TF2 that disables the sniper class like there was in TFC

just deal with it.

 

[Fr0dders]

for what its worth, im no sniper whore either. I do teamplay, but it only really bothers me when theres 5 or 6 snipers on 2 fort.

when theres 2/3 it doesnt bother me as they're just stopping the opposing team from having free reign over the people below.

 

[DJammyRasta]

hehe the awp had a purpose.. think italy as terrorists a couple of good awper's could literally totally lock down that map

the same is not the case with the sniper on tf2 though... the game is a lot more fast paced, dying is a lot less of a concern... and the is always another route you can take, or another class you can pick, or another point you can cap

snipers are only annoying as i feel they detract from the game... although im of the belief that nothing can beat a team full of soldiers and medics... all the other classes are situational at best

 

[div0]

snipers are only annoying as i feel they detract from the game... although im of the belief that nothing can beat a team full of soldiers and medics... all the other classes are situational at best

Again, in what way do you see them as detracting from the game?

If they are on the opposition team and you consider them to be a particularly weak class, then surely that's not something that could annoy you.

If they are on your team and you think they aren't contributing, then surely getting annoyed at that is like getting annoyed just because you have a beginner on your team!

I see no way in which any class can detract from the game, unless you consider them to offer too much of an advantage. But you're not saying that, so it makes no sense.

Again, I'll say the same as I did to Phal...

Sounds to me like you just don't like playing with people who play differently to how you think the game should be played!

If that's the case, you just need to stop playing public

 

[bags]

You can of course just jump into water and the fire will go out. You do end up a long way from the people above but it's quite likely they'll have done the same thing anyway...

But then you can get the medi pack from the sewers and come in that way