TF2 advice

EddScott · 19 Dec 2007 at 21:17

Can't play tonight!

I take it if my movement starts and stops and does odd things like keep moving in one direction its lag?

Well it was bad last night but its impossible tonight. Machine spec is enough so I guess its connection. Can anyone help?

Skeeter · 19 Dec 2007 at 21:49

EddScott said:
Can't play tonight!

I take it if my movement starts and stops and does odd things like keep moving in one direction its lag?

Well it was bad last night but its impossible tonight. Machine spec is enough so I guess its connection. Can anyone help?

You wouldnt be on Virgin Media by any chance would you....?

Mansize_tissue · 19 Dec 2007 at 23:23

My Steam ID is mansize_tissue if you want to add me, MrLOL.

DJammyRasta · 20 Dec 2007 at 09:09

EddScott said:
Can't play tonight!

I take it if my movement starts and stops and does odd things like keep moving in one direction its lag?

Well it was bad last night but its impossible tonight. Machine spec is enough so I guess its connection. Can anyone help?

look at your ping.. if its above like 200 then i would assume the game will be unplayable

Div0, ok detract might not be the case lets say i dont feel they really add anything tactical to the team... soldiers are allround damage givers, demo defend with stickies, spies sap things and backstab heavies, scouts are great at capping, pyro's are great anti spy, engi's build teleporters and dispensers (turrets are pretty much useless against anyone with more than an iq of 6), heavies are a great meatshield, medics are the most important class in that they heal...... snipers... snipers... umm... snipers shoot each other

Fr0dders · 20 Dec 2007 at 09:53

DJammyRasta said:
look at your ping.. if its above like 200 then i would assume the game will be unplayable

Div0, ok detract might not be the case lets say i dont feel they really add anything tactical to the team... soldiers are allround damage givers, demo defend with stickies, spies sap things and backstab heavies, scouts are great at capping, pyro's are great anti spy, engi's build teleporters and dispensers (turrets are pretty much useless against anyone with more than an iq of 6), heavies are a great meatshield, medics are the most important class in that they heal...... snipers... snipers... umm... snipers shoot each other

thats unfair

Turrets are great against defending the scout rush.

Besides, if you've got a Level 3 turrett with an engineer defending it, you need a heavy or soldier ubered to storm it by force with an engineer repairing it as you go. Doesnt matter what IQ you have, if your on your own, and the turett is well placed and defended (ie an engineer on hand nearby to repair it) you wont be able to take out

your only option is to go round, which if the team has more than 1 engineer and the turetts are well placed, isnt an option.

Pulsar_GTI · 20 Dec 2007 at 10:26

^^ that's right ^^ I've held a level 3 turret and a heavy & a medic have been ubercharged blasting it ... I was constantly repairing it next to a dispenser and i killed both of them too in the end.

I'm really liking Castle & Battlecreek atm ... best levels i have played!

Rezident · 20 Dec 2007 at 11:37

DJammyRasta said:
snipers are only annoying as i feel they detract from the game... although im of the belief that nothing can beat a team full of soldiers and medics... all the other classes are situational at best

I used to not appreciate the Sniper class either, until I came across a couple of good snipers. Bang Bang Bang medic, HW and soldier all gone before you've even made contact. A couple of good snipers can be a massive advantage.

19ninety · 20 Dec 2007 at 11:59

EddScott said:
Can't play tonight!

I take it if my movement starts and stops and does odd things like keep moving in one direction its lag?

Well it was bad last night but its impossible tonight. Machine spec is enough so I guess its connection. Can anyone help?

If your with BE broadband, raise a ticket and as for FastPath. Also have a google on how to improve ping time, like setting port forwarding etc in your router, turn off P2P and other stuff that is likely to use the internet, same goes if you have two pc's through one router, if the other one is on and browsing the web, raise your ping a bit as its more data being sent down the same phone line. The more resources and bandwidth you can commit to the game, the better your ping will be, and also the game play, many times my games gone carp cos kaspersky has kicked in and is hogging system resources. Also, get poo play if I have F@H running in back ground.

Phal · 20 Dec 2007 at 12:51

div0 said:
I agree that other classes are generally more useful.

But you and others have posted about how frustrating snipers are. I just don't understand how you can say that they are so annoying and then say that they are a weak link?!

Snipers are annoying... Not because they kill me ( its not as if I dont die to anyone else )

Theyre annoying because they dont contribute anything to the team, theyre just using a spot ( or two..three...four? ) on my team.

Every other class has more utility than a Sniper. Snipers are just a wasted space on my team, they make it hard to defend against a good team that arent full of snipers and make it harder to attack because theyre not pushing forward.

Phal · 20 Dec 2007 at 12:54

MrLOL said:
thats unfair

Turrets are great against defending the scout rush.

Besides, if you've got a Level 3 turrett with an engineer defending it, you need a heavy or soldier ubered to storm it by force with an engineer repairing it as you go. Doesnt matter what IQ you have, if your on your own, and the turett is well placed and defended (ie an engineer on hand nearby to repair it) you wont be able to take out

your only option is to go round, which if the team has more than 1 engineer and the turetts are well placed, isnt an option.

Not true, Im pretty sure I can take out any SG on my own as a Demo man

All it takes is 4 stickies remotely near the SG and its a guaranteed SG kill ( and engineers + dispenser if theyre nearby )

Engineers can repair the slowish but consistant damage from a soldier or HW but cant do anything from the burst damage of 4+ Pipes going off. Im pretty sure theyll struggle against a HW at short ranges too but its always hard to get that close to a SG as a HW

Phal · 20 Dec 2007 at 12:57

KALIB'R said:
If your with BE broadband, raise a ticket and as for FastPath. Also have a google on how to improve ping time, like setting port forwarding etc in your router, turn off P2P and other stuff that is likely to use the internet, same goes if you have two pc's through one router, if the other one is on and browsing the web, raise your ping a bit as its more data being sent down the same phone line. The more resources and bandwidth you can commit to the game, the better your ping will be, and also the game play, many times my games gone carp cos kaspersky has kicked in and is hogging system resources. Also, get poo play if I have F@H running in back ground.

Fastpath isnt a solution for everyone :/ statistically, its more likely to make it worse than better since you have to be pretty near your exchange and have a nice clean line for it to work properly.

Also shouldnt really have to forward ports for games.

Just make sure you and other people arent downloading a lot and make sure you play on servers in your own country! that always helps

Aside from that, it could just be an issue with your cabling / router / isp but that obviously needs investigating.

19ninety · 20 Dec 2007 at 13:14

Phal said:
Fastpath isnt a solution for everyone :/ statistically, its more likely to make it worse than better since you have to be pretty near your exchange and have a nice clean line for it to work properly.

Also shouldnt really have to forward ports for games.

Just make sure you and other people arent downloading a lot and make sure you play on servers in your own country! that always helps

Aside from that, it could just be an issue with your cabling / router / isp but that obviously needs investigating.

just posting things that work for me that might help the guy, port forarding helped with many BF2 issues, fastpath has reduced my pings a little whilst remaining 100% disconnection free

anyhow...

div0 · 20 Dec 2007 at 13:15

Phal said:
Snipers are annoying... Not because they kill me ( its not as if I dont die to anyone else )

Theyre annoying because they dont contribute anything to the team, theyre just using a spot ( or two..three...four? ) on my team.

Every other class has more utility than a Sniper. Snipers are just a wasted space on my team, they make it hard to defend against a good team that arent full of snipers and make it harder to attack because theyre not pushing forward.

That's just like saying you don't like playing on a team where someone doesn't contribute because they're not very good at the game.

Snipers can contribute and snipers do contribute, just in a different way to other classes.

You get just as many idiot engineers that don't know how to play, as you do with snipers. The same applies to most classes.

What I'm saying to you is that you're telling us that snipers annoy you because they don't contribute. If that annoys you, then don't play public

What you are saying has nothing specific to do with snipers, just that the snipers you've played with don't contribute anything (in your opinion). I've played many games where my team sucks, and IMO there have been Engineers who contributed nothing, heavys that did nothing and soldiers that did nothing - but that's just something you have to deal with when playing public. If it annoys you, then quit playing public and make sure you only play with people who play the game according to your expectations

Phal · 20 Dec 2007 at 13:52

KALIB'R said:
just posting things that work for me that might help the guy, port forarding helped with many BF2 issues, fastpath has reduced my pings a little whilst remaining 100% disconnection free

anyhow...

Yeah, I have fastpath enabled too

but I wouldnt tell just anyone to turn it on until theyve checked to see whether their line is suitable for it etc.

Vertigo · 20 Dec 2007 at 14:04

On the subject of things that annoy, what really gets me is when you're an engineer and no-one offers any help against spies. When a spy attacks your stuff, placing sappers on everything, it's all you can do to take the sappers off. You can end up running around like a headless chicken taking off the sappers as the spy replaces them again and no-one else offers any help actually tackling the spy. You can't afford to try and get the spy as you'll lose all your stuff to the sappers.

Phal · 20 Dec 2007 at 14:08

div0 said:
That's just like saying you don't like playing on a team where someone doesn't contribute because they're not very good at the game.

Snipers can contribute and snipers do contribute, just in a different way to other classes.

You get just as many idiot engineers that don't know how to play, as you do with snipers. The same applies to most classes.

What I'm saying to you is that you're telling us that snipers annoy you because they don't contribute. If that annoys you, then don't play public

What you are saying has nothing specific to do with snipers, just that the snipers you've played with don't contribute anything (in your opinion). I've played many games where my team sucks, and IMO there have been Engineers who contributed nothing, heavys that did nothing and soldiers that did nothing - but that's just something you have to deal with when playing public. If it annoys you, then quit playing public and make sure you only play with people who play the game according to your expectations

Thanks for the advice... quit playing the game!

You keep saying 'in your opinion' but lets face it, its not just my opinion, theres lots of people that agree with this point of view.

They dont contribute anything, you always see them standing at the back far away from the action taking occasional shots at people they can see. They cant hold a point and they cant attack a point but every other class can do one or both of those tasks. It doesnt matter how good a sniper is, they are still letting the team down.

I think youre partly right that they are particularly annoying because theyre usually played by noobs or young kids but, the most annoying reason is the fact that they are such a waste of space.

A game would be more fun if it was 8v8 with no snipers ( like clan matches ) than 12v12 with with 4-6 snipers spread out over each team.

Good player with any class apart from Sniper > Good Sniper

Its that simple

Phal · 20 Dec 2007 at 14:10

Vertigo1 said:
On the subject of things that annoy, what really gets me is when you're an engineer and no-one offers any help against spies. When a spy attacks your stuff, placing sappers on everything, it's all you can do to take the sappers off. You can end up running around like a headless chicken taking off the sappers as the spy replaces them again and no-one else offers any help actually tackling the spy. You can't afford to try and get the spy as you'll lose all your stuff to the sappers.

Yeah, it helps if youre team arent a bunch of noobs

I always listen for an engineer announcing theres a spy sapping stuff because then I get to hit something with my space/bottle/bonesaw etc :E

Skeeter · 20 Dec 2007 at 14:17

Id rather have a sniper who shoots medics on my team than some of the other idiotic people ive played with/against. Its not 'X class is good, X class is bad', its all about how you play the class. Im quite good as a sniper, so I can defend a point from afar. Ever thought that maybes the issue is that most people who suck as close combat or team working always go sniper because it means they can get some kills? Theres some simple satisfaction for loner players in shooting a guy in the head from halfway across the map.

Snipers are just as much use as other classes, but they are undoubtedly the easiest to get a kill with, so all the loners and noobs play as them, so finding a decent sniper is very difficult.

Rezident · 20 Dec 2007 at 14:19

Phal said:
Fastpath isnt a solution for everyone :/ statistically, its more likely to make it worse than better since you have to be pretty near your exchange and have a nice clean line for it to work properly.

Also shouldnt really have to forward ports for games.

Just make sure you and other people arent downloading a lot and make sure you play on servers in your own country! that always helps

What if there's no servers in your country?

I have BT and at least once every day the connection just dies, no gaming, no surfing, nothing. What is this Fastpath?

Pulsar_GTI · 20 Dec 2007 at 14:22

I think snipers are a useful part of the team on some levels but not so on others.

Its great when you snipe a medic that's healing someone