Reminds me of this:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...ctuation/2541-Zero-Punctuation-The-Orange-Box
"Use gun on man"
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Reminds me of this:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...ctuation/2541-Zero-Punctuation-The-Orange-Box
"Use gun on man"
Quit playing public != quit playing the game
And lots that don't. I don't see how it's relevant. Neither side of the discussion is 'fact'. Hence 'your opinion' or 'my opinion', irrespective of how many people share our opinions.
I think you'll find I regularly point out that my own views are merely my own opinions too (ie IMO)
I still think you are missing the point. On their own, a sniper is unable to do the things you mention. But as part of a team, they can make it much easier for the rest of their team to achieve those things
I think it's more likely that you just get frustrated with people who don't play the game in the way you would like them to. And that you've come across so many snipers who aren't interested in working as part of a team, that you can't appreciate that a sniper can contribute to the team. A sniper may not be able to achieve an objective directly as a result of their own play, but they can make it far easier for their team mates to do so.
Hence my suggestion for you to sstop playing public if these things annoy you so much
It's easy to avoid if it really does bother you that much.
Good player with any class apart from Sniper > Good Sniper
Its that simple
I don't really disagree. But that doesn't mean that there aren't times when a good sniper can help other good players on his team achieve their objective more easily
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What if there's no servers in your country?
I have BT and at least once every day the connection just dies, no gaming, no surfing, nothing. What is this Fastpath?
Are you using a BT Home Hub? If so, then I feel for you. They really don't like TF2 and I've resorted to using an old DLINK router I had lying around. I always used to get disconnected from TF2 servers within 10 seconds of joining; it really was quite horrendous. There was a fix, which involved TELNETing to the router config and changing some stuff around. Anyway, that did work, but since then BT have updated the firmware on the Home Hub which resets the things you change back to default and prevents them from being changed again.
Snipers can be very effective at times. It depends on what area of the map the current battle is taking place in. Snipers can lack in their effectiveness if a player remains a sniper at times when they aren't very appropriate. What I'm trying to emphasise is the need to switch classes.
This is simply not true. At the right moments they can be very effective at doing things other classes may struggle to do.
A primary example is Dustbowl stage one. Red snipers can be very effective in the first area at slowing down Blue's assault, especially by picking off medics. The long, clear line of sight means you can have a field day and do some major damage in holding off the initial assault period. However, once the first CP is taken by blue, being a sniper is far less effective in the second part of the map. At this point, a switch to say, Demoman would probably be a sensible approach.
What tends to annoy me is the mindset of players thinking "I'm a sniper", or any other class for that matter, in the sense that they feel completely devoted to that class for the rest of game, forcing themselves to try and play that class when there isnt much hope of success. You're a player and there is no need to pick "your" class and stick to it. You have the ability to switch to a different class should the need arise.
I'm essentially regurgitating a common argument in TF2 and that's that each class is useful in different circumstances. To brandish Snipers as a class which "contributes nothing" suggests to me that you need to play the game a little more. Even on 2Fort, it may seem like Snipers are "ineffective" but you need to counter their Snipers with other Snipers, or else their Snipers are free to pick off your team with little resistance.
This is simply not true. At the right moments they can be very effective at doing things other classes may struggle to do.
A primary example is Dustbowl stage one. Red snipers can be very effective in the first area at slowing down Blue's assault, especially by picking off medics. The long, clear line of sight means you can have a field day and do some major damage in holding off the initial assault period. However, once the first CP is taken by blue, being a sniper is far less effective in the second part of the map. At this point, a switch to say, Demoman would probably be a sensible approach.
What tends to annoy me is the mindset of players thinking "I'm a sniper", or any other class for that matter, in the sense that they feel completely devoted to that class for the rest of game, forcing themselves to try and play that class when there isnt much hope of success. You're a player and there is no need to pick "your" class and stick to it. You have the ability to switch to a different class should the need arise.
I'm essentially regurgitating a common argument in TF2 and that's that each class is useful in different circumstances. To brandish Snipers as a class which "contributes nothing" suggests to me that you need to play the game a little more. Even on 2Fort, it may seem like Snipers are "ineffective" but you need to counter their Snipers with other Snipers, or else their Snipers are free to pick off your team with little resistance.
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How misguided Phal ..... defending maps such as dustbowl and gravelpit is when a sniper comes in to his own. I can regularly pick off the first person through the doors on either map, and then the 3rd, drop back and kill the last. A good sniper that has a team that protects him from scouts will decimate an opposition team. Theres only a few classes that can do one shot kills and the sniper is the best of them for taking out people when they emerge for an offensive.
Secondly the sniper can be just as good at times on the attack, picking off the medic before you attack is one of the best things you can do, makes taking a point childsplay.
Secondly the sniper can be just as good at times on the attack, picking off the medic before you attack is one of the best things you can do, makes taking a point childsplay.
Not true, Im pretty sure I can take out any SG on my own as a Demo man
All it takes is 4 stickies remotely near the SG and its a guaranteed SG kill ( and engineers + dispenser if theyre nearby )
demoman and spy are the exception to the rule as they are the class designed to take out turetts. Demoman with their ability to bounce grenades round corners without being shot and spys with their ability to sneak up and sap them.
but even then, a very well placed turett on some maps cant be touched with grenades (theres a couple of places i can think of on 2 fort that are nigh on impossible to get at without being shot, even as demoman, for example in the intel room. Corridors are too high to get enough range on the stickies, and the intel desk is too far away from the entryways for normal grenades to bounce over to them.
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Reminds me of this:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...ctuation/2541-Zero-Punctuation-The-Orange-Box
"Use gun on man"
OMG!
Just fell of my chair!
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I have yet to find a place that I cant reach with grenades
As for all the Sniper fanboys... I think you lot have slightly biased view of Snipers. Youve all watched too many movies and watched too much 24 or whatever.
AWPers in CS are very useful, being able to kill a person in one shot is useful in CS because theyre not gonna come back in a few seconds. Also, AWPers in CS have the same health/armour as everyone else.
In TF2, Snipers are weak/soft easy kills.
Theres all these people that say 'Oh I can pick off the healers as they come in' but in reality, even the best of Snipers have trouble shooting any target as they come rushing towards them, much less actually shoot a small/faster target like a medic.
On paper, a sniper or two isnt a bad idea but in reality, they just dont cut it in TF2, theyre too weak and too limited.
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For those saying that I need to spend more time playing to see how good Snipers can be
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197964287840/stats/TF2
The only time Ive played Sniper is on maps like Floodzone and other custom maps that have long open areas. Even on those maps, Ive usually played as other classes which are 'useful' because Id rather win as a team than pointlessly kill people before I get shot in the head by another sniper and then respawn to repeat the whole process.
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LOL I think we're going to have to leave you to your misguided thoughts. The fact that you refer to anyone who doesn't agree with you as a 'sniper fanboy' just goes to show how much you're missing the point.
Very few people here (if anyone at all?) have posted to say that snipers are amazing and that everyone should be using them. We're just pointing out that they do have a use in the right situation and that your dislike for them seems to be completely unfounded.
Very few people here (if anyone at all?) have posted to say that snipers are amazing and that everyone should be using them. We're just pointing out that they do have a use in the right situation and that your dislike for them seems to be completely unfounded.
I have yet to find a place that I cant reach with grenades
or you've failed to come across a suitably well placed turett
add me to your steamfriends and ill try and outwit you as engineer on 2 fort sometime
I don't know, it's a Zyxel router that came form BT when I first connected. When it works it's fine, but the connection completely dies at least once every day, sometimes for hours! It's a disaster.
or you've failed to come across a suitably well placed turett
add me to your steamfriends and ill try and outwit you as engineer on 2 fort sometime
2fort is usually overcrowded
2fort is an old map which works for 16 players but 24 players means you just a huge deathmatch on the bridge Ive seen SGs in pretty much every position you can imagine on 2fort and they all go down
If you have backup then it can be hard to take it out but thats because you have help
1v1 or 2v2 or whatever, Im pretty sure all SGs go down Phal you're a total public player i take it? Of course you wont find many/any good snipers there, play a match instead where theres an awesome sniper. You'll find that you're missing 2 key classes from your team by the time you get anywhere near the objective. I dont find it hard to pick off medics heavies soldiers or demo's when against the average player, to be fair playing in a public as a sniper is a turkey shoot but in a match its when real skill is shown.
If youre playing without classlimits though theres no reason to not play half medics half soldiers......
If youre playing without classlimits though theres no reason to not play half medics half soldiers......
I mostly play public servers since there arent that many clan matches to play, only 2-3 a week.
Ive yet to play against a decent clan that uses snipers. We have used one occasionally although I have questioned why...
I played TFC for years in a fair number of clan matches and my clan won a Barrysworld leage and 2 I series tournaments so we played at a fairly high level and we never used snipers then. Snipers are no different now than they were then :\
Ive seen quite a few good snipers ( we have one or two in our clan ) but ultimately, I dont fear them. What I do fear is a good soldier with a medic or a good demo etc.
Ive yet to play against a decent clan that uses snipers. We have used one occasionally although I have questioned why...
I played TFC for years in a fair number of clan matches and my clan won a Barrysworld leage and 2 I series tournaments so we played at a fairly high level and we never used snipers then. Snipers are no different now than they were then :\
Ive seen quite a few good snipers ( we have one or two in our clan ) but ultimately, I dont fear them. What I do fear is a good soldier with a medic or a good demo etc.
Reminds me of this:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...ctuation/2541-Zero-Punctuation-The-Orange-Box
"Use gun on man"
QUALITY!
Thanks for the advice re: my laggy connection.
I'm on orange which has been fine up till now. Its a livebox but direct connection. I'll look through what in the background but I'm pretty ruthless to keep my gaming good.
PS _ how do I check my ping?
I'm on orange which has been fine up till now. Its a livebox but direct connection. I'll look through what in the background but I'm pretty ruthless to keep my gaming good.
PS _ how do I check my ping?
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