TF2 Heavy Update

I was just playing tonight and I came to the conclusion the game is just (at times) feeling more and more like a suicidal war of attricion... It's like a game of american football, where you slowly make ground by repeated attempts, with wave after wave of meat thrown at each other.

It just seems suicidal play is getting too common place in the game, and reserved, considered tactical play is not as important as it should be...

Maybe I've had a couple of bad nights :)
 
NeilFawcett said:
I was just playing tonight and I came to the conclusion the game is just (at times) feeling more and more like a suicidal war of attricion... It's like a game of american football, where you slowly make ground by repeated attempts, with wave after wave of meat thrown at each other.

It just seems suicidal play is getting too common place in the game, and reserved, considered tactical play is not as important as it should be...

Maybe I've had a couple of bad nights :)
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Play on a server with a higher respawn counter, maybe?
 
I dont see why anyone would want to use an achievment unlocker. It ruins the fun of the game and it doesnt take more than a few hours of playing to get most of them. Its taken me about 5 hours to get all the Pyro achievments over about 3 days.
 
Sinny said:
I dont see why anyone would want to use an achievment unlocker. It ruins the fun of the game and it doesnt take more than a few hours of playing to get most of them. Its taken me about 5 hours to get all the Pyro achievments over about 3 days.
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The fun of the game has nothing to do with achievements. If they removed achievements I'd have just as much fun.
 
Sinny said:
I dont see why anyone would want to use an achievment unlocker. It ruins the fun of the game and it doesnt take more than a few hours of playing to get most of them. Its taken me about 5 hours to get all the Pyro achievments over about 3 days.
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Well I've personally been playing Pyro for like 10 hours and have only got 14. But there we go...
 
Andr3w said:
added you matey, right, going to go play now yah!

quick question, those achievement servers, are they 'illegal' to get achievements like that, or is it more a fact your cheating yourself?
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You're "Cheating yourself" Earning them as you play will make you a better player, i've adapted my gameplay for each achievement and have got better the more I play....:cool: Invest in the game M8 and the rewards will come, unlike the cheats that take shortcuts and can't be bothered to play to earn achievements in game.... they always end up on my "Dominated" list...:D These achievement servers are not illegal, thery are just a place where loosers meet....
 
Sinny said:
I dont see why anyone would want to use an achievment unlocker. It ruins the fun of the game and it doesnt take more than a few hours of playing to get most of them. Its taken me about 5 hours to get all the Pyro achievments over about 3 days.
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That depends on wether you consider grinding fun.

Personally, I dont. Unlocking the Milestones has given me all the weapons, but im left with the 35 achievments for each class to try to unlock. I dont really see how this is any worse than your way. Infact, its MORE fun. I get to try to get all the achievements AND use funky new weapons.

Ive always said, the new weapons should not be linked to achievements.
 
Skeeter said:
That depends on wether you consider grinding fun.

Personally, I dont. Unlocking the Milestones has given me all the weapons, but im left with the 35 achievments for each class to try to unlock. I dont really see how this is any worse than your way. Infact, its MORE fun. I get to try to get all the achievements AND use funky new weapons.

Ive always said, the new weapons should not be linked to achievements.
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Which is exactly how Valve should have done it.
 
mr.sly said:
The fun of the game has nothing to do with achievements. If they removed achievements I'd have just as much fun.
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So when you have all the weapons you wont feel the game has gotten boring because their is no new content available?

Its a bit like unlocking all weapons and unlimited ammo in horror games. The scary feeling goes (specially in survival horror) and the game doesn't feel the same once you get to the end. you will more than likely get bored of it.

For me they ruin the game. Im not advising that you dont cheat it's just that it does ruin the game to a certain degree.

Skeeter said:
That depends on wether you consider grinding fun.

Personally, I dont. Unlocking the Milestones has given me all the weapons, but im left with the 35 achievments for each class to try to unlock. I dont really see how this is any worse than your way. Infact, its MORE fun. I get to try to get all the achievements AND use funky new weapons.

Ive always said, the new weapons should not be linked to achievements.
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Theirs no sense of reward at the end of it, it completely ruins the point of having the achievements to a certain level. I would get bored of the game very quickly if their were no reward at the end of getting them.
 
Sinny said:
So when you have all the weapons you wont feel the game has gotten boring because their is no new content available?

Its a bit like unlocking all weapons and unlimited ammo in horror games. The scary feeling goes (specially in survival horror) and the game doesn't feel the same once you get to the end. you will more than likely get bored of it.

For me they ruin the game. Im not advising that you dont cheat it's just that it does ruin the game to a certain degree.



Theirs no sense of reward at the end of it, it completely ruins the point of having the achievements to a certain level. I would get bored of the game very quickly if their were no reward at the end of getting them.
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Agreed... some people are just too lazy to work for them, "Play hard" is the way to get achievements and to enjoy the diffrent tatics to get them...;) People will cheat, duck & dive and take shortcuts, it will catch up with them eventually...
 
Sinny said:
So when you have all the weapons you wont feel the game has gotten boring because their is no new content available?

Its a bit like unlocking all weapons and unlimited ammo in horror games. The scary feeling goes (specially in survival horror) and the game doesn't feel the same once you get to the end. you will more than likely get bored of it.

For me they ruin the game. Im not advising that you dont cheat it's just that it does ruin the game to a certain degree.



Theirs no sense of reward at the end of it, it completely ruins the point of having the achievements to a certain level. I would get bored of the game very quickly if their were no reward at the end of getting them.
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Your arguments is flawed in many many ways.

You are assuming that the unlocks are somehow better than the originals. That unlocking the weapons gives you an advantage. This is not true. They are designed as balanced alternatives. If you want to use the Horror game analagy, then it would be like unlocking different coloured versions of the same guns. The gameplay is no easier and then sence of achievement is no less.

So you would get bored of the game if the achievements didnt have any reward at the end? Survived the first 6 months ok though didnt you...

I still have a lot fo the achievements to unlock, and I will be proud if I ever unlock them. But I also have access to the free content that provides me with Zero advantage, just some more interest. Id never even bothered with the unlocks before, I got bored of grinding very fast, so only had one from Medic and one from Pyro.

I was bored of the updates as I couldnt be bothered to grind a game which I use as a fun release. Unlocking the weapons has made it MORE fun.
 
No if anything it was boring without them, because I felt the need to grind to unlock them. Before the updates came I would have said TF2 was a 10/10 but now I'd have to say 9/10. I liked the game because it was simple and well balanced and anyone could come in and play.

But anyone starting the game now or in the future will have to play a lot before they get to the same level playing field as everyone else. It also makes it more confusing because it doesn't even mention how to unlock the weapons.

Achievements should be an after thought. Imagine playing Half Life 2, and half way they said "You can't have the mavity gun until you've got 50 headshots". It's not the way they should work.
 
mr.sly said:
No if anything it was boring without them, because I felt the need to grind to unlock them. Before the updates came I would have said TF2 was a 10/10 but now I'd have to say 9/10. I liked the game because it was simple and well balanced and anyone could come in and play.

But anyone starting the game now or in the future will have to play a lot before they get to the same level playing field as everyone else. It also makes it more confusing because it doesn't even mention how to unlock the weapons.

Achievements should be an after thought. Imagine playing Half Life 2, and half way they said "You can't have the mavity gun until you've got 50 headshots". It's not the way they should work.
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I hadnt even thought of that. There is no way a new user would understnad the unlocks! And if they went into a public sever and asked they would get the typical "Google it n00b!" response of typical public players.

TF2 was simple and fun. Its now complex and slightly less fun.
 
Skeeter said:
Your arguments is flawed in many many ways.

You are assuming that the unlocks are somehow better than the originals. That unlocking the weapons gives you an advantage. This is not true. They are designed as balanced alternatives. If you want to use the Horror game analagy, then it would be like unlocking different coloured versions of the same guns. The gameplay is no easier and then sence of achievement is no less.
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Unlocking new colours/skins would because you are still getting a reward at the end of it, makes you differant from the rest of the players in the server to some extent.
So you would get bored of the game if the achievements didnt have any reward at the end? Survived the first 6 months ok though didnt you...
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I never played the game really until the unlockables started to come in (new maps also brought me in) it was still a very good game it just didn't hold me long enough to get a sense of achievement out of playing it.
I still have a lot fo the achievements to unlock, and I will be proud if I ever unlock them. But I also have access to the free content that provides me with Zero advantage, just some more interest. Id never even bothered with the unlocks before, I got bored of grinding very fast, so only had one from Medic and one from Pyro.
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It doesnt really feel like grinding to me i just play normally but focus on getting certain achievments as the fun factor is still in their, essentially the unlockables are quite fun apart from some like 1,000,000 points of damage. But some are fun to achieve.
I was bored of the updates as I couldnt be bothered to grind a game which I use as a fun release. Unlocking the weapons has made it MORE fun.
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Correct, Unlocking weapons and new content has made it more fun, to me it has anyway. Its a bit like achievement system on the 360 it keeps me interested in the game rather than dumping it once completed. The achivements did drag me into the game than before-hand but the unlockables were just the icing on the cake for me :)
 
Sinny said:
Its taken me about 5 hours to get all the Pyro achievments over about 3 days.
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You say before the updates, it didn't have enough to keep you entertained and you need some sense of achievement. But now after 5 hours, you're back at square one. What are you going to do now?
 
mr.sly said:
You say before the updates, it didn't have enough to keep you entertained and you need some sense of achievement. But now after 5 hours, you're back at square one. What are you going to do now?
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Going for the Medic achievements. I also still have'nt got the barbed axe with the pyro only the flair gun and back burner. Some of the achievements are bugged though, Their is one where you have to taunt just as you have killed someone but it doesn't seem to register because i have done it endless times, i must be doing wrong.

Their is also the Heavy achievements after that but i think the medic ones should last a while as i still like to play other classes in and out of getting my achievments. I got addicted with getting the Back burner is all ^_^.
 
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