That moment when you clock the van...

I'm completely amazed that somehow blasting past a large group of bikers at high speed, pulling in front of them and then applying maximum braking is now acceptable and escapes the 'think of the children' brigade entirely.

Sorry, but this is nonsense, what he did is utterly reckless and unacceptable.
 
Totally illegal speeds - unfortunately there's no question there.

Ignoring the stamping on the brakes bit (terrible decision/driving but encouraged by today's camera/police van enforcement), in terms of 'safety', this was the safety way to pass IF you needed to pass. I think the mistake was the decision to overtake here, you can clearly see pedestrians walking on the left quite close to the road, a car ahead of the bike group (presumably driving at the same speed as the group) and depending on how disguised the van was, the observation ahead.

His worse crime was the brake stamp/lock up which, I would guess, meant he was charged with careless driving as well as the standard speeding charge.
 
nothing wrong with either the speed or the overtake imo,

but the braking was stupid and careless. deserves punishment for that if anything.

tbh a good lawyer would have tore the evidence to pieces if not for the braking making it a dangerous driving charge. he could have easily held onto his licence (as mentioned previously there seems a great deal of movement on the camera which could have put the actual speed reached in question. but that said many of us would crap our pants and stand on the brakes when we spot a van or a copper with a gun. lesson learned here. if you see a gun or a van don't brake,
 
Clarkey said:
I'm completely amazed that somehow blasting past a large group of bikers at high speed, pulling in front of them and then applying maximum braking is now acceptable and escapes the 'think of the children' brigade entirely.

Sorry, but this is nonsense, what he did is utterly reckless and unacceptable.
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Completely agree. That overtake was a bad decision, that ridiculous braking an even worse one.
 
It is the silly braking that made it look a whole lot worse. His exposure time was reduced as he used power to execute an overtake and in something with 420bhp (at least) that power is delivered very quickly. He seemed to be off the power quickly as he was pulling in so it did seem like a rapid overtake rather than someone really pushing on.

It was illegal and too quick, but I suspect most people hear have overtaken at say 85-90mph on an A road in their 200bhp quick (to their mind) car. Personally I would not have done the same with all those bikes but I have done rapid overtakes previously where I wanted past and in as quickly as I could and without the skid I suspect most people would view it differently, most certainly if they didn't know the speed...
 
Surprised no-one's quoted the local article. Some great quotes :D

A Porsche driver who overtook a group of learner motorcyclists at 113mph has been banned from the roads for six months.

David Robert Judd, 30, was found guilty of careless driving and admitted speeding on the A631 at Willingham Woods, near Market Rasen, on May 13.

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Lincoln Magistrates' Court

Lincoln Magistrates' Court heard that seconds after passing the bikes he decelerated to 23mph after spotting a speed camera van.

Judd was fined £600, with £200 costs and a £15 surcharge.

The court heard he referred to himself in police interview as an idiot when his overtaking manoeuvre was put to him.

Judd insisted he was not showing off to anyone.

Magistrates heard his car had previously been under-performing, and performed faster than it used to after an engine fault was fixed.

Judd conceded that as he overtook, the car was travelling "faster than he realised".

The Doncaster man had denied a charge of dangerous driving.

Magistrates were not satisfied his driving fell far below the expected standard to be considered dangerous.

Judd's lawyer Steve Smith argued his client was past the picnic area when he overtook, there was a "nice" overtaking gap between the car and the bikes, and a safe distance between the vehicles when he braked.

Mr Smith added that at no point did Judd lose control of his car, attributing a "slight veer" after braking to a technical fault with the braking system.
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http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk...arner-bikers/story-17792322-detail/story.html
 
Housey said:
It is the silly braking that made it look a whole lot worse. His exposure time was reduced as he used power to execute an overtake and in something with 420bhp (at least) that power is delivered very quickly. He seemed to be off the power quickly as he was pulling in so it did seem like a rapid overtake rather than someone really pushing on.

It was illegal and too quick, but I suspect most people hear have overtaken at say 85-90mph on an A road in their 200bhp quick (to their mind) car. Personally I would not have done the same with all those bikes but I have done rapid overtakes previously where I wanted past and in as quickly as I could and without the skid I suspect most people would view it differently, most certainly if they didn't know the speed...
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For me it wasn't the speed it was the whole situation- the number of bikes, the fact they were under tuition, the fact that he was only going to be up behind another car as soon as the overtake was done and the pedestrians on the verge all added up to put it in the "not worth it this time" category. The braking though was on another level of fail all together.
 
Sounds like he bought a "wrong un" Engine is knackered, brakes don't work properly, I surprised he survived the journey home.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
lordrobs said:
For me it wasn't the speed it was the whole situation- the number of bikes, the fact they were under tuition, the fact that he was only going to be up behind another car as soon as the overtake was done and the pedestrians on the verge all added up to put it in the "not worth it this time" category. The braking though was on another level of fail all together.
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My thoughts exactly.
 
Bang to rights imo.

Poor judgement on the drivers part, in both speed (by some margin given the surroundings) and his subsequent actions.
I'd guess he couldn't afford OPC servicing judging by the non-working ABS! :p
 
rG-tom said:
You're absolutely wrong and show an obvious lack of experience behind the wheel of something with a bit of power.

The faster he is travelling in this circumstance, the less time he spends next to the riders, the less time he spends on the wrong side of the road with other cars heading his way....I can't actually see what is wrong with the overtake in the slightest! Good visibility, good weather conditions, nice long straight, and until the braking due to the camera van, the car was far more composed than your average PoS car travelling at 60.

If he'd done the same overtake in a 1.6 focus, he would've crawled past, meaning he's next to the bikes for an eternity, so when a car coming the other way is going quicker than he realised he'll probably take the safer (for him) choice of diving into the pack of bikes rather than having a head on (well....one possible scenario :p)
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Upto a point and I agree with the logic itself - but when your having to apply that logic to speeds in excess of 100mph on UK roads something is very wrong. (See point below about waiting for a safer opportunity to pass).

Your point with the focus isn't helping either - as obviously if its that unsafe doing it crawling past then you shouldn't be overtaking in that situation and waiting for a safe(r) opportunity to pass.
 
DampDog said:
The overtaking a pack of learner motorcyclist at that speed is debateable judgement. But we've all done overtakes an checked the speedo and been going quicker than we thought. But standing on the brakes for no good reason.. Muppet.. Most motors wouldn't stop as quick as a 911 can let alone a group of leaners.
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The 'good reason' was the camera van.
 
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