*** The 2011 Gym Rats Thread ***

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Once or twice I'll say something about form as a prelude to asking if I can work with them on the equipment. Sometimes though I just get a vibe that the person would have a slight "attitude incompatability" with any suggestion that they were doing something wrong.

But generally I will saying something along the lines of "can I offer you some advice?" There was one time recently though when there were two guys deadlifting next to me, one was kind of doing an RDL while the other was doing regular style. RDLman started critising his friend saying he was doing it wrong and that he was doing a squat (????!), that time I just butted in and told him he was wrong :D he took it in the right way though and it was fine.
 
How did you approach them out of interest? I see many guys.. and girls in the gym (who have been going solidly for a few months now) with shoddy form on things like bench press (wrists bent back) and deadlifts/rows (hunchback of notre dame) but never feel its my place to approach and say 'hey... sorry... can i offer you a tip?'

I was waiting for the oly bench as I needed to stand on it and shrug so I'd been watching him for 2/3 minutes. Resting for a long period and just generally seemed to be struggling. I asked how many sets he had left and then offered him a spot. Watched him closely for one set and then said:
'Have you tried it like this?' and explained pinching shoulder blades together.

If he seemed interested (which he did) then I'd go further and explain the benefits of it and coach him through it for a set.

If he'd have said 'Nah, this works well for me'/'Nope'/'Just want to do my sets leave me alone you willy'. Then I'd of just spotted him and not said anything else.

Just read the other persons reaction. But don't try and explain something if you're not confident in your capability to explain it simply and efficiently. I am PT qualified so I have spent time working on coaching techniques however approachability and your manner and tone of voice/facial expression will effect a persons responsiveness and willingness to learn. I'm not saying you need to be PT qualified to offer advice! Just if you're going to leave the person confused and no better off it might be worth waiting until you can explain things clearly.

Talking to them in the manner where you're being condescending like 'Oh dear, I can't believe you bench like that, do it like this you idiot' is a waste of time. Being polite and seeming curious as to why they don't do the useful coaching points you know is more productive.

The most important aspect is probably telling somebody WHY you're telling them to change technique. In this case it was to recruit more of his chest, remove some load from the front delts and make it more effective on the whole. 2 reps in and mid set he was already commenting about how much better it felt.

As for the lady with the kickbacks I'd seen an instructor demo'ing some closegrip push up on a bench and a kick back quite poorly. So when leaving I just asked if she was after some tricep exercises and then explained that dips would be a better choice on the assisted machine (due to more load and the benefit of a compound) and corrected her form on the kick backs.
 
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Interesting video Morbs, but I'm afraid I don't buy it. Sure, your back is the limiting factor, but just get it stronger and you'll be fine! ;)

However, squats WITH leg press, or other big leg movements I can completely understand and back up. Not doing squats is daft though.
 
Oh i agree, the overall benefit has to be seen imo, besides as much as i sweat on a heavy set of leg press, you can't get that same 'head is gonna burst if I don't stand up under this bar' feeling :D
 
Yeah, he mentioned there would be a few places disagreeing, I thought that was quite good hehe.
Will read the tnation response in a mo :)
 
Speaking of squats - does anyone see any benefit in doing half/quarter squats over full ones?

It seems a common thing in my gym to rack up big weights and not even get near to a full squat, not just for a few reps but an entire routine. Is it just a daft attempt to show off or is there some benefit there?
 
Speaking of squats - does anyone see any benefit in doing half/quarter squats over full ones?

It seems a common thing in my gym to rack up big weights and not even get near to a full squat, not just for a few reps but an entire routine. Is it just a daft attempt to show off or is there some benefit there?

Poor technique most likely. Useful for pushing through sticking points. Sounds like a case of ego tripping.
 
Speaking of squats - does anyone see any benefit in doing half/quarter squats over full ones?

It seems a common thing in my gym to rack up big weights and not even get near to a full squat, not just for a few reps but an entire routine. Is it just a daft attempt to show off or is there some benefit there?

I may have had an opinion or two on partials...

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=18167920&postcount=249

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=18193864&postcount=349

:o:D

tl;dr: don't do them, for any reason what-so-ever!


Freefaller, that's a good article, I was looking for that when I was discussing sports specificity for gym work.
 
I might have to buy a couple of whole chickens, didn't realise about that

I'm getting through so much :( Eating 700g a day :(

Try makro? I can't remember the exact price but you get twice as much breasts than supermarkets for about £4. Costco might be similar if there is one near to you
 
I don't get the lads(and men - particuarly the polish ones as an observation) will stick 3 plates a side on the bar, lift the weight on their shoulders, and partial squat literally 20% of the way down, it's a pure ego trip

I'd rather squat 1 plate each side and get a proper ROM!

People seem to think that there is a huge amount of respect in appearing to be lifting a lot of weight, I personally respect good form over anything else!
 
Whilst I'm here....


I'm trying to trim down some fat for the summer, am happy with my size and my strength is still increasing (although size hasn't changed so much...).


My question is; is it feasible to create my own calorie defecit by doing cardio, as opposed to changing diet drastically? Have been doing 30 minutes of X-trainer before every workout (4 a week) for the last 3 weeks (around 500~ cals each time), and have lost 2lbs and maintained current strength, is this rate (presumably) fat loss what i'd expect to see? My diet hasn't changed much apart from eating a handful of nuts instead of a sandwich at my 4pm meal, protein intake is being kept at high levels daily.

Everything feels 'tighter' so I guess its working, these damn love handles WILL be gone, and jawline more defined! lol
 
People seem to think that there is a huge amount of respect in appearing to be lifting a lot of weight, I personally respect good form over anything else!

Last week I had more respect for the reasonably 'un-built' lad squatting (properly might I add) than I did the 2 lads that had spent 90 minutes training chest.
 
Pffft, not amused my Jack3d arrived today great - however the PHD T-t-shirt ordered (small) is Large, looks like a blanket on me :(
 
Interesting article on post workout carbs

I'm waiting for a delivery from MyProtein today and because of that had no carbs for my PWO shake (as I can't just eat any old thing anymore like a banana), so me being the worrier I am looked online at articles relating to carbs and post workout shakes. And came across this one, which made me feel better ha :p
 
My question is; is it feasible to create my own calorie defecit by doing cardio, as opposed to changing diet drastically? Have been doing 30 minutes of X-trainer before every workout (4 a week) for the last 3 weeks (around 500~ cals each time), and have lost 2lbs and maintained current strength, is this rate (presumably) fat loss what i'd expect to see? My diet hasn't changed much apart from eating a handful of nuts instead of a sandwich at my 4pm meal, protein intake is being kept at high levels daily.

Why do the cardio before the weights routine and have your weights routine suffer? Do it after.
(Thats if you mean doing it directly before weights)
 

Interesting article.. not sure it sourced some of it's claims well though. e.g. 'growth hormone increase after resistance training'. Directly after? In general? I know some websites claim resistance training for longer than 30-45minutes decrease HGH. meh.

for those of you who do enjoy your PWO carbs... and are on a bit of a bulk. Pizza Express are doing a deal - £25 for 2x starters, 2x mains, 2x deserts... tempted :P
 
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