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I agree it's a lot to fit in. I watch Mark Lewis on Youtube who squeezes it all in together at a much higher level than i'm capable of. I like the idea of weights/KOT in the evenings because this is a point where i get notoriously bored when my wife goes to bed. I guess that's why i historically keep weight sessions lighter just to squeeze it all in, but as you know there ends up being minimal benefit from doing so.

Good point on loading the bar for stability, although i suppose there's the risk that then overloads the weight limits of the rack as as you say it's not the sturdiest with only 2 bolts holding the vertical pieces in place.

I had thought that the KOT would be ok to just supplement the weights. I'm only on the Zero program which is mostly a range of calf raises, tib raises and some single leg BW squats along with some stretching work. The full program has requirements for the weighted tib bar/monkey feet/sled which i don't have. As mentioned the monkey feet i imagine i'll cave in at some point. The benefits it gives for being able to work out the hip flexors and hamstring/leg curls in a home environment is massive. The tib bar i think i'll look to make one of the DIY versions once i progress past the BW exercises. The sled i'd love, but cost/space is a big issue.

I've only started it this week so unsure how progression/overloading is done on the Zero program. My main plan was to spend the initial trial month on it for cost reasons and then see how things go. At the moment i'm unsure where the benefit of paying ~£35 a month for the Zero plan is on a long term perspective. Obviously on the full program you're getting a lot more benefits and variety to the workouts.


At the moment, the KOT stuff is purely leg based. I think i'll follow that religiously, then aim for 1-2 weight sessions a week. Going heavy and more focussed on just 3-4 exercises per session (Mixture of Bench, OH Press, Squats and Deadlifts in various varieties) and keep to the running and then see where i am in a months time.

Thanks for your help and i'll stop clogging up this thread for now :)
 
What's your running goals as well?
If it's just general fitness then running with a bit of fatigued legs (from legs two days before) you will still get benefit from the run, plus when you don't run fatigued you will feel super fast lol.
If your trying to do marathons etc. then you have to be a lot more cautious on the weights side as it can start getting in the way then.
 
Good point on loading the bar for stability, although i suppose there's the risk that then overloads the weight limits of the rack as as you say it's not the sturdiest with only 2 bolts holding the vertical pieces in place.

I had thought that the KOT would be ok to just supplement the weights. I'm only on the Zero program which is mostly a range of calf raises, tib raises and some single leg BW squats along with some stretching work. The full program has requirements for the weighted tib bar/monkey feet/sled which i don't have. As mentioned the monkey feet i imagine i'll cave in at some point. The benefits it gives for being able to work out the hip flexors and hamstring/leg curls in a home environment is massive. The tib bar i think i'll look to make one of the DIY versions once i progress past the BW exercises. The sled i'd love, but cost/space is a big issue.

I've only started it this week so unsure how progression/overloading is done on the Zero program. My main plan was to spend the initial trial month on it for cost reasons and then see how things go. At the moment i'm unsure where the benefit of paying ~£35 a month for the Zero plan is on a long term perspective. Obviously on the full program you're getting a lot more benefits and variety to the workouts.


At the moment, the KOT stuff is purely leg based. I think i'll follow that religiously, then aim for 1-2 weight sessions a week. Going heavy and more focussed on just 3-4 exercises per session (Mixture of Bench, OH Press, Squats and Deadlifts in various varieties) and keep to the running and then see where i am in a months time.

Thanks for your help and i'll stop clogging up this thread for now :)
You can sign up for the first month of KoT for $20 or something, and you gain access to all the programs, you can download them and you then have them available. The subscription is for extra bits, such as feedback/coaching, and the regularly updated workouts, but once you have the programs you can drop the sub.
 
What's your running goals as well?
If it's just general fitness then running with a bit of fatigued legs (from legs two days before) you will still get benefit from the run, plus when you don't run fatigued you will feel super fast lol.
If your trying to do marathons etc. then you have to be a lot more cautious on the weights side as it can start getting in the way then.

Move one step beyond that and you'll have my goals :)

My last event was a 47 mile mountain ultra in Spain with 13000ft of ascent. In May i have a fairly brutal trail marathon in the Howgills and then October i have a 52 mile Ultra with around 9000ft ascent. Similar to weights, i'm not overly competitive and so don't try and focus too much on pace, more on general endurance. However i would like to start trying to introduce some pace work to bring down my times.

The last time i spent a long time in the gym co-incided with me starting running and my average paces were probably quicker than they are now. This is mainly why i'm looking to strength work, to improve leg/core strength to aid with speed, but also to build muscle endurance to help me on the steep climbs. In Spain i really struggled on some of the rocky scrambles where my legs were toast.


You can sign up for the first month of KoT for $20 or something, and you gain access to all the programs, you can download them and you then have them available. The subscription is for extra bits, such as feedback/coaching, and the regularly updated workouts, but once you have the programs you can drop the sub.

Yeah, that's what tempted me to sign up. The feedback/coaching is beneficial and i have had some feedback, but they've generally said my form is good on the videos i submitted. Beyond the initial free month, i'm not sure where the benefit would lie for me once i've got all the programs downloaded to follow at home.
 
Ultras.... now your getting way out of my comfort zone. :p
A friends brother done ultras himself (think he's training for an ironman currently) and he used to bit of training as well. From what i seen in the gym it was a lot of high intensity dynamic exercises as opposed to static lifts.
I know he used to sell programmes, (no idea how much they cost mind) I can find out if he still offers then if you want?
 
Haha oh definitely. This was a video blog that someone posted on Youtube of the Spain run the other week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJaXGAifnMM

Shows how stunning the scenery was, but likewise, skip to around 12:30 - 16:00 and you see why my legs were in tatters and need strengthening.

For the dynamic stuff, i do do an element of that, step ups to knee raises, lunges etc. The main issue i've got is that from ramping up from 20 miles to 40+ miles a week, i'm losing weight and whilst i'm still ~93kg i'm looking thin (ish) and whilst i would like to continue to lose some flabbyness, i'm also keen to avoid ending up looking like most ultra runners! My wife already jokes that i have pigeon legs :(
 
For the dynamic stuff, i do do an element of that, step ups to knee raises, lunges etc. The main issue i've got is that from ramping up from 20 miles to 40+ miles a week, i'm losing weight and whilst i'm still ~93kg i'm looking thin (ish) and whilst i would like to continue to lose some flabbyness, i'm also keen to avoid ending up looking like most ultra runners! My wife already jokes that i have pigeon legs :(

Sorry to say it but you cant really have your cake and eat it, doing ultra running levels of training and looking like an ultra runner go hand in hand for a reason. You might need to re-evalute your true expectations of where your journey will take you, and come to peace with that. Lets face it you dont see jacked ultra runners for a reason, and you dont see skinny strongmen for a reason. Its also why sprinters are more jacked then middle distance runners, and why gymnasts are super jacked.

Every goal has a different outcome and process. A realistic goal that you can be at peace with is better then an unrealistic goal that will leave you not hitting any target.
 
Agreed, and that's very much why i'm always going to be on the outskirts and i've made my peace with that. I appreciate i'll never be near the front of the leader tables in running, similarly i'll never be competing with other people with weights. Luckily i'm not competitive by nature.

My inspiration, (if you can call it that) is Mark Lewis who posts a lot on Youtube about his exploits.

https://www.marklewis.co.uk/

He'll run Ultras, is training for Ironman, yet still smash out a 150kg squat. I accept he's probably an exception and it's clearly taken him a long time and huge amount of dedication to training, but it's possible to get there and sit in the middle of that venn diagram.
 
@Martynt74

just as a reference, ive had to do my workout today early and to save time i cut out my main bulk of warm ups. I timed the warmup and just managed to squeeze in the warm up + 4 exercises within an hour.

5 mins bike warm up

Squats 5x warmup sets (2 of which just bar) then 3x8 @ RPE 8
BB Hip Thrusts 3x8 @ RPE 8
DB RDL 3x12 @ RPE 8
Laying Leg Curls 3x8 @ RPE 9

Ive not put weight on there as its all relative to RPE. TO get done in 30 mins i would have not been on the bike and would have done everything likely at RPE 4-5 which may as well just be a cardio session!
 
as i laid out for you, start out working out where your level is with RPE, you have 3 working sets of each exercise so if the first one feels like a 5 and should be a 7 up the weight, if set 2 feels like a 6 up the weight if set 3 feels like an 8, you know next week to start at a weight between set 2 and 3
 
Ah, lovely COVID. My dose want that bad but have had a residual cough for nearly six weeks (that is slowly improving)...

Started on some very light cardio last week (managed 10 minutes at 50%), and finally squatted 50kg last night... And my legs are in bits!

:cry::eek::(
 
as i laid out for you, start out working out where your level is with RPE, you have 3 working sets of each exercise so if the first one feels like a 5 and should be a 7 up the weight, if set 2 feels like a 6 up the weight if set 3 feels like an 8, you know next week to start at a weight between set 2 and 3

Got in there last night. Was fairly limited on weights as i had not long re-sprayed some of my plates.

Only did OH press and Bench press to keep my legs easy for KOT today and then a long hilly run tomorrow, but those 2 exercises took me about 30 minutes you'll be pleased to know!

OH press started at 30kg which is probably more than i would've previously done. I then worked up to 35kg which i would say was a good starting level for me next time.

Bench press i just loaded with 42.5kg which was the most i had available. Weight felt about right in reality. The last set was a bit of a push on the last 2 reps which i imagine is where you want to be. I just need to be careful on this as i tore my left bicep years ago and it sometimes flares up during pressing movements. It hasn't done so for a long time, but i started to feel it strain on the last 2 sets of bench press. Might look to put Bench and OH presses on separate days rather than have them in the same session to allow for more recovery.
 
Failed my 100g kg bench last night but i was fatigued from a week of training so i am doing a set of 80 kg until failure and 3x8 of 70kg. Hoping to build strength doing chest 2x a week and hopefully have 100kg bench by the end of April which will mark 3 months in the gym.

On to squats tonight which i am excited for.
 
Ah, lovely COVID. My dose want that bad but have had a residual cough for nearly six weeks (that is slowly improving)...

Started on some very light cardio last week (managed 10 minutes at 50%), and finally squatted 50kg last night... And my legs are in bits!

:cry::eek::(
I came back from my dose of covid with much better fitness... No idea how :cry:
 
would it be good to incorporate OHP into my chest/shoulder day once a week and bench the other day or do both 2 times a week. ive never done it before
 
would it be good to incorporate OHP into my chest/shoulder day once a week and bench the other day or do both 2 times a week. ive never done it before
Just sub in OHP where you do dumbbell shoulder press. I would want to be doing at least one chest pressing movement each workout.
Could try on day one, do flat bench then dumbell shoulder press on 2nd chest/shoulder day do OHP first then incline press after.
 
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