THE 50K CHALLENGE: NEW MUSTANG ON THE WAY, BUT WOULD 50K BE BETTER SPENT ON ANOTHER MARQUE?

Mal X said:
yes Gibbo, i'm not trolling you at all, i feel this is what where you heart lies and the same with me too........... with ``Factory Five`` everything is supplied in kit form brand new, good assembly instructions, and they have an extensive configurator, the choice of engine etc is virtually endless.
https://www.factoryfive.com/

for me it would be the HOT ROD, but for you the GTM SUPERCAR....................just something to think about that's all
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Looks fun, but its a weekend / toy car as I outlined for me any car I buy is a daily. My M3 might be a stripped out track warrior but I've used it as a daily and its a really nice thing to drive as a daily as I did re-carpet the interior and I kept the heaters. :)
 
Acme said:
Wasn't disputing his capabilities, just saying I got the impression he gets a lot of work done in the shop. Nothing wrong with that! :)
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Well you did not even know I had a carbon roof, so your not following me close enough. ;)

Bodywork, electronics I generally steer clear off. Spannering I do most of it myself because I do not trust garages as they will generally do a job as fast as possible and go cowboy if something aint going their way. That is why I rebuilt the M3 engine myself, because then I knew it was spot on, whenever I got stuck or stressed I packed my tools up for the day and came back to it the next day on a fresh head which always worked. Garages need to free up ramps as soon as possible and I've seen far too many garages taking shortcuts or absolutely wacking cars with massive hammers when it was not really required.

Of course as I've got older, if the weather is not particular nice for working on cars or its a job I trust others to do, I am also fine with giving someone else the pound notes to do the job. I basically learnt a lot about cars when I got my Saleen as no garage had ever seen one, so why trust someone else with my pride and joy, as such I went DIY and learnt how to do things and just did that whole car myself.

The M3 I ventured even further, engine rebuild, writing my own ECU throttle maps, flashing the SMG with CSL software but it all went fine, but stuff like a full re-spray, fitting carbon roof is not my bag at all, I cannot paint and most people cannot fit a roof panel without messing it up, the horror stories on the M forums from people having carbon roofs down by specialist which then leak. Hence I made sure mine was done by the guys who make the roof and had fitted several trouble free beforehand.
 
Vita said:
Considering he took bottom end of engine apart on his m3 on his drive I beg to differ.
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and with a kit car you wont need to get filthy dirty etc, because it's all brand new with easy assembly instructions.

so you've got 28k for an I30N that isn't perfect and not quite what i want..none of them are, or 40k (crate engine will be expensive) for something that i'm building, engaging my brain for once, a proper thread for once, learning about cars for once...........and not wandering around the threads being a pain in the arse.................makes sense doesn't it.

put it this way, i'll buy an I30N...........i'll be bored in 6 months, i know i will
 
Mal X said:
and with a kit car you wont need to get filthy dirty etc, because it's all brand new with easy assembly instructions.

so you've got 28k for an I30N that isn't perfect and not quite what i want..none of them are, or 40k (crate engine will be expensive) for something that i'm building, engaging my brain for once, a proper thread for once, learning about cars for once...........and not wandering around the threads being a pain in the arse.................makes sense doesn't it.

put it this way, i'll buy an I30N...........i'll be bored in 6 months, i know i will
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What is an I30N?
 
Gibbo said:
Looks fun, but its a weekend / toy car as I outlined for me any car I buy is a daily. My M3 might be a stripped out track warrior but I've used it as a daily and its a really nice thing to drive as a daily as I did re-carpet the interior and I kept the heaters. :)
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yes, but your kit car can be built as a comfy daily too, the list of options is endless, yes the kit car has a ``cheap and tacky image`` but i think you'll find that Factory five is high quality, esp the Hot Rod............ because you can have the interior either simple or quality bespoke, anything you want, that's the beauty of it.

Gibbo said:
What is an I30N?
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yea exactly !!!!
 
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Mal X said:
yes, but your kit car can be built as a comfy daily too, the list of options is endless, yes the kit car has a ``cheap and tacky image`` but i think you'll find that Factory five is high quality, esp the Hot Rod............ because you can have the interior either simple or quality bespoke, anything you want, that's the beauty of it.
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You cannot make a kit car nice man, it is not possible, yes it may look nice but if you think you can make a kit car into a real nice sold quality car then your deeply mistaken, but everyone has different goals and what is one mans comfortable is another mans harsh and not tolerable. I've had a few German cars and if the Germans know something, its how to put a car together generally well. Oh doh and I just purchased a British car.
 
Nasher said:
An expensive Hyundai. You would have to REALLY want an I30 to pay 28k for one :D

For a few K more more you can have a Focus RS.
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Near 30k for a washing machine? 28k can get you used a Mustang GT, he wants a Mustang, he should buy one if he has 28k to spend, far better on a Mustang than a washing machine. :D
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGBS6-zlG3M

here's a classic example, that would be the wrong colour for me and the wrong engine sound, you'd deffo want a Roush blower whine or similar and there's no need to go above 570hp, because the thing is so light !!!!.......... just buy a crate motor and get chrome rocker covers, whatever you want................dash board looks plain, easy to get upholstered, in fact the whole interior can be done here in lymington.............. can be sprayed around the corner too, by the same guys that keep repairing my Jazz.

as for quality............ you'd need the steel body version and upholstered properly inside, because in that video i noticed a few things.
 
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Mal X said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGBS6-zlG3M

here's a classic example, that would be the wrong colour for me and the wrong engine sound, you'd deffo want a Roush blower whine or similar and there's no need to go above 570hp, because the thing is so light !!!!.......... just buy a crate motor and get chrome rocker covers, whatever you want................dash board looks plain, easy to get upholstered, in fact the whole interior can be done here in lymington.............. can be sprayed around the corner too, by the same guys that keep repairing my Jazz........that body will be dead easy to spray !
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I'd not consider that be to a daily driver capable car, not even remotely, my M3 has a nicer interior and it does not have an interior. :D
But yes it is totally gorgeous car indeed, but would be a weekend toy.

Also modern Roush blowers don't whine, you need a Whipple for whine or Kenne Bell. :)
 
Acme said:
Wasn't disputing his capabilities, just saying I got the impression he gets a lot of work done in the shop. Nothing wrong with that! :)
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Actually there is a lot wrong with getting work done in the shop. Those who have made a name for themselves charge prices which are extortionate for what work you want doing. I see it all the time people getting ripped off. Though it entirely depends on what price some would call ripping off and some may call that's what you pay for quality of work.

It's those which buy performance cars but no nothing about them apart from a review saying it's good by jezza.

Man and machine should become one in harmony which you are well aware of with working on your E30. I do nearly all the work myself on my banger. Only time it'll see a garage is for stuff which I can't do or mot.

@Mal X you can never decide on a car and you probably never will be happy. There is far too much variety in cars for any price second hand or new.

I wanted to purchase a R32 golf or gti edition 30. I went to view a couple and I decided it wasn't for me. Though before I even went to view I had made a decision that I definitely wanted either yet based on opinions and some speaking to owners I was left a little disappointed having driven them. Cars will always bore you in the end as new stuff and advancements of tech come out in that field.

Best to keep your jazz until you have made a decision after having driven cars you are wanting to own and looked at ownership costs.

Most can afford £xxxx amount of purchasing a car but the running of expensive ones will never be cheap even if you do work yourself.
 
I just meant if you have the means and are aware how much extra it costs to get things done at a specialist, go for it. If I had 6 figures in the bank I'd spend far less time doing things myself. If I had 7 figures I'd be a right lazy git. :p

I personally can't afford it.
 
Vita said:
Actually there is a lot wrong with getting work done in the shop. Those who have made a name for themselves charge prices which are extortionate for what work you want doing. I see it all the time people getting ripped off. Though it entirely depends on what price some would call ripping off and some may call that's what you pay for quality of work.
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It depends the market segment your are in, I could do a lot of the servicing on my GTR myself... but it would be saving maybe 120 quid, I'm pretty sure not getting the Litcho stamp on a service would depreciate the car by more.
 
kindai said:
It depends the market segment your are in, I could do a lot of the servicing on my GTR myself... but it would be saving maybe 120 quid, I'm pretty sure not getting the Litcho stamp on a service would depreciate the car by more.
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Litchfield are well trusted and like you say for £120 saving, that £120 is worth having them do it and their stamp in your book.
 
kindai said:
It depends the market segment your are in, I could do a lot of the servicing on my GTR myself... but it would be saving maybe 120 quid, I'm pretty sure not getting the Litcho stamp on a service would depreciate the car by more.
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Well yes entirely affects high value performance cars in that sense as stamps matter or who ever has done tuning matters. Quality parts matter etc.

Depreciation will always happen to some extent on cars there is no coming away from that. It's a bit like bitcoin some cars will appreciate so much when they were cheap, though once an economic crash occurs or the bubble bursts it'll all come crashing down.

Enjoy while you can I say.
 
the kit car (if you're not careful with assembly) will be rattly and cheap looking......................but so is the Hyundai, it's just cheap plastic inside you have no choice, but the Hot Rod can be anything you want..............ANYTHING, the only limit is your imagination
 
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