The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

[deuse]

Well a family that has just come here hasn't cost anything either so its completely irrelevant. What're you expecting, pre-emptive tax payments?

This is just nonsense. You have no argument.

Oh for the love of god....

OK, the family that comes here who pays for the dentel\Health care? them?
or the tax payer?
You know as well as I do the tax payer does. And if you have not paid much in BUT take a lot out
it's bleeding the system

 

[ColdAsIce]

Oh for the love oh god....

OK the family comes here who pays for the dentel\Health care ? them?
or the tax payer?
You know as well as I do the tax payer does.

I think his point is that not all legal immigrants are on minimum wage jobs, some could be over here and be doing very highly skilled/payed work. Paying way more than your average Brit in tax

 

[Neodite]

The problem is, immigration IS a problem, but so is brits claiming benifits just because they are lazy sods.

And obviously MANYYY more problems. But what people see is other partys seeming to not give a dam (And current goverment being the ones that are paying out this money anyway)

But the BNP do address this, well the immigration atleast, and people see that and think YES about time ill vote for them, withought reading the rest.

I don't think anyone should be sent out the country (If they came here legally) BUT i do think the doors should be closed for people comming here to live. And then all the bums that can work but choose not to, or people faking injurys to claim benifits, english or not should be found out and punished. This country needs to get sorted, and it needs to get done quick before it's too late.

Are the BNP the best people to so this? HELLLLLL NOOOOO. But it would seem the others dont... care?

*edit* Sorry about the spelling etc. im half asleep, if the post makes no sense just ignore

 

[ColdAsIce]

The problem is, immigration IS a problem, but so is brits claiming benifits just because they are lazy sods.

And obviously MANYYY more problems. But what people see is other partys seeming to not give a dam (And current goverment being the ones that are paying out this money anyway)

But the BNP do address this, well the immigration atleast, and people see that and think YES about time ill vote for them, withought reading the rest.

I don't think anyone should be sent out the country (If they came here legally) BUT i do think the doors should be closed for people comming here to live. And then all the bums that can work but choose not to, or people faking injurys to claim benifits, english or not should be found out and punished. This country needs to get sorted, and it needs to get done quick before it's too late.

Are the BNP the best people to so this? HELLLLLL NOOOOO. But it would seem the others dont... care?

This is a good post, also the BNP gaining support forces the main parties to focus on the issues that were in the past simply being ignored.

 

[Neodite]

I think his point is that not all legal immigrants are on minimum wage jobs, some could be over here and be doing very highly skilled/payed work. Paying way more than your average Brit in tax

True, but it's not like you can say if you earn over 20k a year you can stay

It has to be done by the majority

 

[deuse]

I think his point is that not all legal immigrants are on minimum wage jobs, some could be over here and be doing very highly skilled/payed work. Paying way more than your average Brit in tax

OMG WRONG..

Lets put it easy for you.ok...

A family has been here 50 years and has children and their children have children ect...ok got it so far?

Now we have a family has been here for lets say 5 years.
The family that has been here longer have put in more taxes then the one thats been here shorter.

 

[ColdAsIce]

OMG WRONG..

Lets put it easy for you.ok...

A family has been here 50 years and has children and their children have children ect...ok got it so far?

Now a family has been here for lets say 5 years. The family that has been here longer have put in more taxes then the one thats been here shorter.

Ok, that is certainly one way of looking at it I guess. So are you against all immigration? Even selected legal immigration?

 

[deuse]

Ok, that is certainly one way of looking at it I guess. So are you against all immigration? Even selected legal immigration?

One way? it's the only way.

As I have already said in other threads. Any family or person coming into the UK
should NOT get any free Health\Dentel ect till they have paid 10 years FULL tax.
They should have insurance to cover the family till the 10 years are up, then they get help.

A very easy system and it helps the UK and the people that live here and those who will.

 

[Neodite]

ATM i think (intill things are sorted) new immigrants should not be aloud to come here to work and/or claim benifits.

BUT i do think we should continue to let students in to learn (And maybe aloud to work/earn so much a month to pay for things, dunno aint realy thought about this) because then after they have finished uni they can go back and have a better way of life where they live, instead of putting presure on the UK

 

[D.P.]

One way? it's the only way.

As I have already said in other threads. Any family or person coming into the UK
should NOT get any free Health\Dentel ect till they have paid 10 years FULL tax.
They should have insurance to cover the family till the 10 years are up, then they get help.

A very easy system and it helps the UK and the people that live here and those who will.

So does that mean if you go to school and and then UNi and for the following 10 years after graduation you have to pay health insurance? Seems strange to me.
We have a national health system in the UK so we don't need to have private insurance, this is paid for through taxes. As long as immigrants pay taxes where is the problem? No where!

 

[deuse]

So does that mean if you go to school and and then UNi and for the following 10 years after graduation you have to pay health insurance? Seems strange to me.

When a family comes here the mom and dad pay the 10 years of Full tax not the kids after.

We have a national health system in the UK so we don't need to have private insurance, this is paid for through taxes. As long as immigrants pay taxes where is the problem? No where!

The problem is that they come here and pay very little tax in lets say 5 years.
But they get free health ect which puts a strain on the NHS. Where as if a family has paid tax into the system first the strain would be less.

I would google to see how much it costs to stay in hospital for one night.

 

[D.P.]

When a family comes here the mom and dad pay the 10 years of Full tax not the kids after.




The problem is that they come here and pay very little tax in lets say 5 years.
But they get free health ect which puts a strain on the NHS. Where as if a family has paid tax into the system first the strain would be less.

I would google to see how much it costs to stay in hospital for one night.

So what about people like me who emigrated out of the UK - I did'nt pay any tax but got to use all the services, like cheap education. Should I be paying tax back....

 

[dirtydog]

So what about people like me who emigrated out of the UK - I did'nt pay any tax but got to use all the services, like cheap education. Should I be paying tax back....

No, and you can't legislate for people leaving, people are free to leave and they were already born here and so have the automatic right to use the services.

We can however legislate for who we allow in from abroad, and what access to services we give those people.

 

[laiman]

OMG WRONG..

Lets put it easy for you.ok...

A family has been here 50 years and has children and their children have children ect...ok got it so far?

Now we have a family has been here for lets say 5 years.
The family that has been here longer have put in more taxes then the one thats been here shorter.

This is merely speculation, it depends entirely how much tax the families are paying. If your immigrants are earning more then its easy for them to pay more tax annually than your resident family (who could easily also be immigrants who have just been settled longer). The family who has lived here (and I know this has been said before but some people just can't seem to grasp it) will have cost the country in education, health care and potentially benefits. All of which they are fully entitled to, however you simply cannot claim that there is some kind of automatic deficit which immigrants owe this country.

What if your resident family are a bunch of workshy scroungers? Throws your whole argument on its head.

I strongly suspect that any person regardless of origin in the UK today will be running in some sort of tax deficit for at least the first 20-30 years of their life. With an immigrant, provided they are working and paying the correct tax the payback period is much quicker. I have no facts to back this up as it's an idea that just popped into my head so feel free to show me some that disprove it.

Are you suggesting that immigrants pay "back taxes" in a country whose services they haven't been using? How utterly ridiculous.

 

[cheets64]

Try this then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7ANvfpu-E8

It's about time someone had the guts to speak the truth and not bury their heads in the sand.

I'm all right Jack how are you? hasn't got us very far lately.

Thats a load of rubbish, because you have no industry means that they are going out to kill people with guns, the government offer them free homes, health care and even money yet they want more for doing nothing, you have to go out their and look for work.

 

[stockhausen]

This interview with Griffin (http://tv.bnp.org.uk/2009/10/nick-griffin-speaks-to-adam-boulton/) is particularly confusing

 

[Chimerical]

OMG WRONG..

Lets put it easy for you.ok...

A family has been here 50 years and has children and their children have children ect...ok got it so far?

Now we have a family has been here for lets say 5 years.
The family that has been here longer have put in more taxes then the one thats been here shorter.

No, don't worry, I got your point the first time. However, it's just absolute nonsense and means nothing. So what, you worked out that an immigrant family here for five years has paid in five years worth of taxes, possibly less? And in comparison a native family will have paid 40 years of taxes or whatever.

Wow. Obvious point of the year award.

The argument I was making is that a native family will have also cost the country more than an immigrant family thus making your point utterly irrelevent.

And now you'll claim that the immigrants that were here for five years are somehow leeching more than five years worth of NHS coverage, they're getting benefits, etc.

Again, this is nonsense. It may happen in some cases, but it does not happen generally or most of the time.

 

[eggyoke]

Thats a load of rubbish, because you have no industry means that they are going out to kill people with guns, the government offer them free homes, health care and even money yet they want more for doing nothing, you have to go out their and look for work.

Well thats not right at all.

Griffin is completely spot on here. Yes on face value it doesn't mean kids are going to shoot people, but common sense dictates it obviously goes deeper than that.

There are huge working class communities in Liverpool and the kids grow up with fathers who are traders, factory workers, processors etc. These kids are raised in that environment and see their futures in that manner (apart from the odd few obviously.)

I grew up with kids like these, I know how it works with them. I went through the same school process with them, and I know many of them are now working the factories in the industrial estates. They don't grow up aspiring to have a lifelong career, it doesn't even enter their minds as a possibility. They grow up expecting to be a laborer.

Some of my friends from school where incredibly intelligent lads. Some of the smartest lads I've ever known, however they simply would not accept a life away from where they grew up because its just bred into them ...its impossible for me to describe to someone whose never experienced or grown up in a similar social setting.

Taking away these industries has helped (I'm not saying caused as there are obviously many factors to consider) ferment this type of mentality. These kids have no place to fit in with "normal" escalator society, and so they stick together in tight knit communities. Gangs are a by product of this type of life. The "postcode" gangs of Norris Green are a prime example.

This has gone on now for years and its such an ingrained mentality that violence, ignorance and the "outcast" lifestyle is all they have and know. Gun crime is merely a natural step-up.

Bringing back a strong industry within these towns would help a lot. It would give them a platform to society and demonstrate to them through peers and older working-class men (who arn't suite wearing ****-heads) that there is more to life than crime. The last thing these kids would do is put up with an office job with some snobbish gob-**** of a boss, or integrate with people they just cant relate to or even understand.

 

[Vonhelmet]

As I always end up asking in there threads... Where do we stand on immigants who do pay taxes and put no strain on the nhs? What about homegrown scum never working and claiming benefits all the time? If it's net contributions we're worried about, I'd much rather kick out all the ******.

The argument is really about our social security system, and immigrants are a convenient scapegoat.

 

[Dolph]

As I always end up asking in there threads... Where do we stand on immigants who do pay taxes and put no strain on the nhs? What about homegrown scum never working and claiming benefits all the time? If it's net contributions we're worried about, I'd much rather kick out all the ******.

The argument is really about our social security system, and immigrants are a convenient scapegoat.

The irony being that the vast majority of BNP supporters are not net contributors themselves, certainly not by the time you factor in the criminal convictions and so on that seem to come alongside BNP membership...