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** The AMD Navi Thread **

That "dent" makes the card look stupid. I didn't see it when they live streamed the show last night. Now in the cold hard light of day, what the **** were they thinking when designing the shroud??

GPU itself looks decent, price is meh, cooler shroud is ridiculous
 
We need to give AMD time to sort the GPU side out, now the CPU side is sorted and generating money. Remember the GPU R&D is miniscule in comparison to NVIDIA. When AMD get the cash flowing from the CPU side, it'll hopefully be put into GPU side and they can do more.

People on here forget that AMD's GPU R&D isn't even close to Nvidias, yet they are demanding AMD match or beat NVIDIA. Give them time. I remember that, VERY recently, people lamented AMD for rubbish CPU's. Now look...
 
I wonder will these cards (blowers) be as good as the blowers in vega56 flavour, when it comes to undervolting and tweaking. My vega 56 blower I had a few months ago, was fine with undervolting to keep temps down. Didn't sound bad at all. A slight whoosh of air but nothing that bad really. Stock was a different story with fan noise, but with tweaking, it was a great card and decent dB levels on the ears.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
£380,LMAO. £360 is bad enough!!



The RX5700 and RX5700XT are overpriced just like almost all the Turing cards. The RX5700 is going to be at least £60 more than an RTX2060,or more like £80 more if we have 1:1 pricing,and the RX5070XT is literally the same price as the overpriced RTX2070,which pushed up the price of the 70 series cards to new highs. $449 will equate to £425 to £450 over here.

Both companies can clear off at that pricing IMHO. We need another competitor as this is becoming a cartel now.

In late 2018,you could get a GTX1080 for as low as £430 to £450,and V64 at launch for £450. This new "gen" is just an excuse in making overpriced card pricing even more mainstream. Best thing is not buy any of them at current pricing otherwise people are justifying what Nvidia did,just because AMD matched it and are "the good guys". Anyone buying a £400+ RX5700XT or RTX2070 has literally validated Nvidia making a product like a RTX2070 at that kind of price. Soon,people shouldn't moan if the RTX3070 and RX6700XT are £500+ cards next year.

What is the RX480 competitor going to be,if the RTX2060 competitor costs £60 to £80 more and is only 10% faster,a card which is GTX1660TI speed for more money?? This is destroying mainsteam gaming now.



That is what AMD said only in 2016,and these metrics were true of last year,looking at what market research companies also said.

So people might as well get a Vega56 now at this rate.
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Bottom line is that Nvidia and the very first Titan card, started this whole high pricing fiasco. They pushed out a £1k gpu to see if anyone would bite and the fan boys came flocking to show off their e-peen by having "the best/most expensive" card available. Nvidia seen that they were selling at this price and lo and behold, we're here today with stupid pricing. If nobody had bought the original titan at that price, then today we wouldn't have high prices.

If those with more money than sense would turn 1 dial on the visuals, down 1 notch to get a solid 60fps instead of hitting the "ultra" settings button, then we wouldn't be here again. This "must have max visuals settings enabled to game on" mentality need to stop. The difference from Ultra and High settings is barely noticeable anyway. Yet these GPU manufacturers are playing on the need for fan boys to swing their epeen, to sell at high prices.
 
Besty said:
Personally, I don't have a problem with the Super naming as using Ti would indicate chip level changes across the board and confuse the market. I like the re-brand. Nvidia have always liked it a bit 'Cheesey'.

Because of Navi, Nvidia had no choice to do this re-brand an a mini-PR launch stunt.

Nvidia sales were already tanking, look at the 1 year share price vs. AMD, Nvidia are ones in the hurt locker in the short term at least, shame it has taken 5 years (and more) to get here. Vega and Polaris, not really exciting chips to me but (as you can tell) Navi is going to change the world by bringing GTX1080 performance to a global audience and not just in our little geek fandom.
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It is a chip level change though, the 2060 super is going to the 104 chip no?
 
delvey said:
Interesting, and worrying for me as I just bought a Vega 64. Looking around it seems the 5700XT is 15% quicker than the Vega 64, but I paid 20% less than £380. Will wait and see, but I cannot see the Nitro+ (or whatever Sapphire call it for the next lot of cards) being less than £450. So I think (maybe) I made the right choice.
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64 is still a cracking card. Dont' worry :)
 
Everytime I see a comment like this I feel like it's extremely short-sighted and arrogant.

First off, your post assumes that AMD hasn't considered all of these arguments in advance, and still decided against it for various reasons.

Second, the Nvidia argument is ridiculous; the theory is that because Nvidia has more marketshare, that they have more to lose, but it's quite the opposite. Nvidia is in a position where people buy their GPUs on reputation alone, even when they are more expensive than better performing AMD cards in a particular price segment, and this was true even when they were using reference blowers. The vast majority of users know nothing about coolers or anything, they'll just buy whatever their friends tell them to buy, and that's usually Nvidia. The problem is that Nvidia can actually afford to dictate the market, because they're on top. If a Radeon card underperforms, people will blame AMD, because AMD is the underdog and doesn't have the same reputational advantages, whereas if a GeForce underperforms, many people won't even notice because there's a confirmation bias at play that makes them think it's better even when it's not. Nvidia is in a position where they can afford to play games, they have the leeway, whereas AMD cannot. This is basic human psychology.

Also, I can guarantee you, that the number of people with "poorly ventilated cases" are far more numerous than you think, your characterization of "some smuck somewhere" is really ignorant; you really think a multi-billion dollar company is deciding on the designs of their cards because of the needs of 1% of the market or something? I've got news for you, we on this subreddit, are the minority, the "shmucks" are the majority of consumers, not us. Another thing is that bargain hunters probably make up a bigger share of AMD's audience than Nvidia, and these types of users are likely to be people that may not have the best PC cooling.

Furthermore, Scott (OP) already said in their post that AMD would consider having axial fan options in addition to blower at launch, so what's the big deal here?

Lastly, it's just one more month until AIB cards so this entire whining about blowers is really pointless. Saying you don't like reference blowers is one thing, but acting like it's bad business is making quite a few claims about how corporate strategy works, and I'm honestly kind of annoyed at seeing a bunch of kids on reddit act like they understand product R&D and marketing better than people who get paid to do it. This launch is perfectly fine for AMD, and the launch of AIB cards next month will generate more news headlines for them which is good. And I guarantee you in 30ish days, no one will care or even remember all the **** people are stirring right now about blowers; hell, I'll be surprised if people even remember in a week, since they'll have moved on to the next thing to whine about.
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Have to agree with what this chap says in that reddit thread.

Part of me thinks, perhaps it's an age thing, that the younger generation now have so much less patience than us oldies have. Is this due to phones having most things at our fingertips, in an instant? So when you have to wait a little bit of time (for AIB cards), they aren't used to having to wait. All good things come to those that wait, an old saying but really true these days.

AMD are on an upward trajectory across the board IMO. Especially in CPU's. When they get the revenues from the CPU's to plough into GPU's, then we'll see even better improvements. Good to finally have some competition in the GPU and CPU markets again. This will only benefit us all in the long run.
 
Panos said:
No is not. All his content is anti AMD bickering behind Patreon paywall the last 2 months.

He has become the joke of the whole community, to the point when earlier in July posted a part 2 video when Part 1 was behind paywall, got so many negative comments and downvotes that he removed it completely.
Since then many left his channel and cancelled their Patreon to him.
Hence he is starting coming back to youtube because the revenue is down.
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How do you know all this? Are you a patreon of his? Do you have access to his videos and explanations?
 
Panos said:
He has retracted all youtube videos that he received negative comments from almost everyone. Including those he was saying that everything is behind paywalls.
Pay a visit on the CPU discussion, as we were talking about all these as they came out back in July.

Read the discussion from that point onwards.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/32896147/
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I don't really need to. I'm a Patreon of his and have access to everything on his site. He explained why he did what he did and why some videos were taken off youtube, which were still freely available on his discord channel, without paying anything. I was obviously suspect of what all happened, however he explained why he did what he did and reasons behind it. As far as i'm concerned, I'm ok with why he did what he did after hearing from him directly why he did it.

That's a bit of a mouthful of a post. Bottom line is he had his reasons and I'm happy with his explanations. He got so much abuse it's not surprising he took cover from media and trolls who were happy to se him used like he was.
 
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