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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

Vexr said:
Please oh please AMD make FSR4 available on RDNA3.

If I use upscaling, my go to is XeSS 1.3 UQ. FSR3 quality in Cyberpunk still looks unacceptably bad to my eye.

Honestly wonder if going back to FSR1, which had the option to manually set the resolution scaling (say from 80-85%) would look better than the highest setting of FSR3 (quality) which I believe uses 65% res. Sure, the framerate gained would be less, but then XeSS UQ only improves my framerate half as much as FSR3 Quality, but looks a whole lot better.

The same principle applies if there's a significantly lower performance uplift with FSR4 on RDNA3 than on RDNA4 - I'd still chose FSR4 over the current FSR.
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I had a similar experience with CP2077. Their implementation is FSR3, not 3.1, which is essentially 2.2 with frame gen. They won't implement 3.1 because FG is decoupled and allows people to use that with DLSS on 3000 cards and older. Nvidia don't want that and it's an Nvidia sponsored game. I'd be very surprised if they implement FSR4 so mods may be the way to go.

Other than that, AMD cards with upscaling is a non-starter on CP2077, sadly.
 
This could be interpreted any number of ways:
videocardz.com

AMD Radeon RX 9070 series to have "balance of power and price similar to the RX 7800 XT and RX 7900 GRE" - VideoCardz.com

AMD talks RDNA4: separate event planned, FSR4 might come to RDNA3 AMD Chief Architecture of Gaming Solutions and Gaming Marketing, Frank Azor discusses AMD RDNA4 series with Michael Quesada. In a Spanish interview with Michael Quesada, AMD’s Frank Azor revealed some information about the RDNA4...
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AMD Chief Architecture of Gaming Solutions and Gaming Marketing, Frank Azor said (originally in Spanish lol):

The Radeon RX 7800 XT and RX 7900 GRE offered aggressive pricing for their performance. The market responded well, especially in a landscape where prices are constantly rising. AMD remains focused on delivering value for money. When we announce RDNA4, we’ll introduce a powerful graphics card—not a $300 card, but also not a $1,000 card. […]

We’re confident most people will see it as a good product at a good price. Its balance of power and price will be comparable to the RX 7800 XT and RX 7900 GRE.”


So he could be saying that the 9070 will launch for the same price as the 7800 XT and the 9070 XT will launch as the same price as the 7900 GRE...or, he could mean that the 9070 cards will have the relative same price/performance as the two 70-class cards...or the whole thing could just have been a bad translation...thoughts?
 
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Zarax said:
66% discount from Nvidia? Why not just ask them for free?
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This is the exact problem... people expect for AMD cards to be faster and sold for peanuts, whilst also queuing up to sell kidneys for a middling NV card :rolleyes:

mr_woods said:
Hi first 1st post hope everyone is well.just wanted to chime in and say if the 9070xt offers close to 4080s performance at around 500 pounds that's still great value considering most sites are still selling the 4080s around the £950 mark and fleabay around £850ish.
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Welcome, and good first post :)

Raelgun said:
There's plenty of space for the lower end and always has been.
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With very capable APUs (and up-scaling tech supporting them), the space for lower end discrete cards is vanishing.

Raelgun said:
Doesn't matter who it is, it can be done and it's been done right now.
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In your head, how does this work in a supply-constrained world?

Pricing that low would create incredible demand (at low margins for you) - would you take capacity away from super high margin server chips to gain market share in a far less lucrative market?

How do you think that plays with shareholders?

Thekwango said:
this thread has gone a bit bizarre.
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Agree, but we love it... when are we gonna play PUBG again btw? :D

Joxeon said:
I hope AMD don't take the bait and try compete with with Nvidia on MFG, AMD should 100% focus on delivering substantially more raster performance for the money vs Nvidia while bringing significantly improved RT + FSR4
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The days of pure raster mattering are well behind us. They have to play the BS game, sadly...

Stanners said:
Don’t derail the hype train.
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No, please, someone derail it!! :cry:

Joxeon said:
AMD are best to let the dust settle and wait for reviews to show up the 5070 as only slightly faster than a 4070S then drop the 9070XT in and say hey we're giving you 4080 performance for the same money.
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Yes, 100% agree with this... let the "free market" see the truth, rather than trying to get into a fake frame e-peen contest.
 
If the AMD cards do launch first I suspect a lot of people will hold off on buying to wait for nvidia reviews. But it does mean that when the nvidia reviews come out they will be the main thing the nvidia cards get compared to. So if every 5070 review is "it costs more and performs worse than the 9070" could see it suddenly becoming very popular
 
Joxeon said:
All of the FG techs that boosts fps are multiplicative and latency derived from the base frame rate so the base frame rate is still the most important factor.
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Yup totally, I didn't articulate myself properly :)

I meant that reviewers and customers looking purely at raster is a thing of the past. And, perhaps more importantly devs coding with the assumption of certain technologies in mind is real.

I think we'll feel this acutely with the next gen of console releases...

Thekwango said:
oi oi buddy, long time no speak. been a while since i was on pubg sadly. damn i used to love that game, was crap at it mind you but loved it all the same
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Same, same... No amount of fake frames and scaling can aid potato aim :D
 
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Bidley said:
I had a similar experience with CP2077. Their implementation is FSR3, not 3.1, which is essentially 2.2 with frame gen. They won't implement 3.1 because FG is decoupled and allows people to use that with DLSS on 3000 cards and older. Nvidia don't want that and it's an Nvidia sponsored game. I'd be very surprised if they implement FSR4 so mods may be the way to go.

Other than that, AMD cards with upscaling is a non-starter on CP2077, sadly.
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Damn. I had wondered why I couldn't enable FG in game without also enabling FSR.

I did try enabling AFMF at driver level. Visually the result was fine, but the actual frame rate dropped from something like 85 fps in relatively light areas to 65. AFMF took that to over 100 FPS (can't remember the exact number).

On the other hand, with 85 fps native in a low demand area, XeSS UQ went to about 100 fps. FSR3 went further to 115 fps, but image quality was unacceptable.
 
mrk said:
Is the 9070XT = 4080S performance not just wishful thinking? Considering the supposed price, if that was the case then why are AMD not making a massive song and dance about it given how expensive the 4080S is by comparison? Seems highly backwards.
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The timespy score was run on an AIB card and the Ashes score was run on a live rig at CES 2025 (without permission from the vendor) appear to be legit on a 350w bios.

The raw raster performance all looks legit.
 
Besty said:
The timespy score was run on an AIB card and the Ashes score was run on a live rig at CES 2025 (without permission from the vendor) appear to be legit on a 350w bios.

The raw raster performance all looks legit.
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I just hope AMD don’t go and price it up against the 5070ti if that’s where performance lands.
 
Joxeon said:
I just hope AMD don’t go and price it up against the 5070ti if that’s where performance lands.
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My feeling is the chip has a lot of legroom and models will be widely differentiated. The reference will likely be well priced e.g. £500, but performance will be around 7900 GRE with a lower power limit. High-end AIB models will have much better cooling and unlocked power with raster performance around 4080 -- these will go for a premium (moreso than usual).
 
'Rumours' are $479 reference, $549 AIB.

Rumours are rumours though.

I imagine the AIBs will be the ones pushing 330W if any of the benchmarks are legit.
 
With all the CES disappointment, AMD have appointed what they’ve called a ‘promising salesman’ for their next GPU reveal:

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AMD: buy it for Gill
 
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Just to point out the RX6700XT and RX7800XT were 30% to 50% faster than the dGPUs that they replaced and used around 300MM2 to 350MM2 dies. The RX9070 series is a successor to the RX7800XT/RX7900GRE series. An RX7900XT is 30% faster than an RX7800XT and the RX7900XTX close to 50% faster.

The RTX4070 was really a replacement for the RTX3060TI with a price jump and the configuration of the RTX2060,RTX3060,etc. The RTX5070 really should be an RTX5060TI.

So the earlier leaked $480 to $550 price range would be closer to what should be expected. Even the approximate chip size would be closer to the RX6700XT and RX7800XT series. If the RX9070XT is priced above $600,then we are still seeing some of the inflation in dGPU prices from the RTX4000 series,which we are still seeing with the RTX5000 series.
 
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