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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

ICDP said:
What a ridiculous post. Sorry but to expect AMD to undercut Nvidia by at least 50% is utterly preposterous.

If they can undercut Nvidia performance by 25% that would make a difference. 30% would be amazing, but 50% - 60% is starting to get insulting on AMD.
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I was quick to agree with you there but then remembered. Back in the day such a generational leap was normal. Admittedly not by AMD, it was always Nvidia giving real flagship performance at mainstream prices. Though I guess cards like the RX 480 came close from AMD. But otherwise... times have changed. Unless AMD have really improved over RX 7000 by leaps and bounds, achieving same performance with a tiny die... best we can hope for is £450. Hence why the rumoured $480 sounds nice.

humbug said:
I have a sneaky suspicion the 9060 is going to be a Navi 32 rebrand, that's how they will get rid of stock.
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That actually doesn't sound that bad. As the saying goes, "there's no such thing as a bad GPU, only bad pricing". If the 9060XT gives us 7800XT performance for below £300, that's pretty decent. Though honestly it should be the least to expect considering we've recently seen 7700XTs go for as low as £320. If they want to truly make a splash, a 7800XT rebranded as a 9060 XT at £280 or even £250 would do a decent job. Might even gain market share considering Nvidia doesn't want to give us 16GB for cheaper than £750.
 
Nah, it's doa because even $150 more expensive 5070 will out sell it by loads. AMD say they want market share, $600 won't make a dent, just like the 7900 cards never. Gamers will opt for the 5070 rather than pay $600 for 9070.
 
Vexr said:
Damn. I had wondered why I couldn't enable FG in game without also enabling FSR.

I did try enabling AFMF at driver level. Visually the result was fine, but the actual frame rate dropped from something like 85 fps in relatively light areas to 65. AFMF took that to over 100 FPS (can't remember the exact number).

On the other hand, with 85 fps native in a low demand area, XeSS UQ went to about 100 fps. FSR3 went further to 115 fps, but image quality was unacceptable.
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Yeah i've had similarly bad experiences. XeSS is decent but still not as good as DLSS, but it's leaps and bounds ahead of FSR 2.1 or 3 in that game. The devs have clearly gimped FSR in that game, FSR3 actually looks worse than 2.1 which it really shouldn't, but even then it's not useable. They added FSR3 months after FSR3.1 released so it's pretty cut and dry.

I'm really enjoying the game, but the intentional performance-hobbling in favour of Nvidia leaves a bad taste.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Nah, it's doa because even $150 more expensive 5070 will out sell it by loads. AMD say they want market share, $600 won't make a dent, just like the 7900 cards never. Gamers will opt for the 5070 rather than pay $600 for 9070.
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I dunno, if hypothetically amd does launch jan 23rd and the performance is just about the same then come February when the 5070 ti launches. Every review for it will point people towards the 9070xt
 
StarShock said:
Nah, that's probably about right assuming similar performance to the 5070ti

Though I do think if the 5070ti is priced at $750 it would be doa. Who would be dumb enough to spend that
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People are dumb enough, You have been able to buy a Chinese android phone as good as an iPhone for half the price for a decade, iPhones still sell bucket loads more than anyone else because of the premium brand and the features.

Nvidia are a premium Brand, AMD when it comes to GPUs just aren't. Performance isn't everything as much as it should be.
 
But also worth remembering that success for AMD doesn't necessarily mean beating nvidia outright. They could probably double their dgpu revenue and barely move the needle. I really don't think AMD cares all that much about the steam survey and measure their success on their bank balance
 
Sythe79 said:
You have been able to buy a Chinese android phone as good as an iPhone for half the price for a decade, iPhones still sell bucket loads more than anyone else because of the premium brand and the features.
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I see where you're coming from but don't think that's an apt comparison. The iPhone ecosystem and software stack is meaningfully differentiated and value-add in a way that generates a lot of love from users (I say this as a solid Android guy). There's also a huge switching cost for people who want to leave that ecosystem.

For graphics cards, and PC components in general, there's basically no switching cost between a ton of different vendors. Sure NV has a fancier software stack, but that doesn't gate-off core game experiences which are available to everyone.

Ross Thomson said:
anyone else getting really confused between 5070 and 9070 or is just me and my dyslexic brain.
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Heck yeah dude... I'm annoyed AMD "cucked" and aligned to the NV naming scheme... and doubly annoyed they missed the opportunity to bring back the "9700 Pro" moniker :(
 
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Sumanji said:
I see where you're coming from but don't think that's an apt comparison. The iPhone ecosystem and software stack is meaningfully differentiated and value-add in a way that generates a lot of love from users (I say this as a solid Android guy). There's also a huge switching cost for people who want to leave that ecosystem.

For graphics cards, and PC components in general, there's basically no switching cost between a ton of different vendors. Sure NV has a fancier software stack, but that doesn't gate-off core game experiences which are available to everyone.
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It is the same, people are bought into the "GeForce experience" ecosystem. The drivers are better, DLSS is better, the RT is better, it's not different.

If the perception of brand value wasn't a thing, companies wouldn't spend significant amounts of money on marketing it. Nvidia have earnt their premium AMD need to earn, there's. They have done with their CPUs, but they didn't do it by being second best and 10% cheaper.
 
It's disappointing about FSR 4 probably being a 9000 series exclusive, but I imagine they'll have to do something where there's a FSR3-like version of FSR4 for the non-9000 series cards or that devs can get FSR3 for zero additional effort if they implement FSR4 otherwise what sort of take-up will it have?
AMD have about, what is it now, 10% market share and the 9000 series won't even make up 1/10th of that. So how many are gonna take the time and effort to include something less than 1% of potential customers can use?
Nvidia have such a big market share that it's worth adding DLSS even if not all of the Nvidia users can use it. Then things like FSR3 and XeSS (or whatever Intel's version is called) can do everyone else.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe devs will add it in the the miniscule number of people that'll be able to use it.


I want to be excited for the 9070XT but given my experience with past AMD cards along with the fact that in 2025 AMD are possibly giving us the VRAM, performance and upscaling that we could get from Nvidia in the 2nd half of 2022 is leaving me a little underwhelmed at the minute. Same reason the B580 didn't really tempt me.

Maybe once we know more and get some proper performance figures and prices it'll be different. I will say all the hype sorta makes me disappointed again that they're not doing high-end cards, I'm not overly excited by Nvidia's offering given the current info either so this would've been a good time (for me) if AMD had a high-end offering.
 
I have full confidence in AMD to price this right. They’ve learnt their lessons after RDNA 3. They can’t afford to lose more market share or Radeon will fade into obscurity.
 
I'd be interested in comparing sales data between the 4070 +4070 super (combined) vs the AMD 7800Xt. Can't find any online. Might help the conversation about what AMD need to price their 9070's at if we have some data to go on.
Now it's probably a safe bet to assume that the NVIDIA cards outsold the AMD competitor, but that's not the point. AMD themselves can't possibly expect to outsell NVIDIA, but they will have a target number that if met they would consider to be a success.

Here's a couple of sources but no where near enough to paint a clear picture:

Looking at the December 2024 Steam Hardware Survey: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

RTX 4070: 3.30 %
RTX 4070 SUPER: 2.22 %
RX 7800XT: not explicitly mentioned (the highest ranking AMD card is the 6600 at 1.02%)

For what it's worth, the Amazon US current best sellers are variants of: https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computer-Graphics-Cards/zgbs/pc/284822

1. RTX 3060
2. RX 7900XT
3. RTX 4070 SUPER
18. 7800XT
 
Octoplex7 said:
I'd be interested in comparing sales data between the 4070 +4070 super (combined) vs the AMD 7800Xt. Can't find any online. Might help the conversation about what AMD need to price their 9070's at if we have some data to go on.
Now it's probably a safe bet to assume that the NVIDIA cards outsold the AMD competitor, but that's not the point. AMD themselves can't possibly expect to outsell NVIDIA, but they will have a target number that if met they would consider to be a success.

Here's a couple of sources but no where near enough to paint a clear picture:

Looking at the December 2024 Steam Hardware Survey: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

RTX 4070: 3.30 %
RTX 4070 SUPER: 2.22 %
RX 7800XT: not explicitly mentioned (the highest ranking AMD card is the 6600 at 1.02%)

For what it's worth, the Amazon US current best sellers are variants of: https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computer-Graphics-Cards/zgbs/pc/284822

1. RTX 3060
2. RX 7900XT
3. RTX 4070 SUPER
18. 7800XT
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The second is the 7600XT, not the 7900XT - though it's not far behind at no.4, which surprises me.
 
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