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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

I've sort of lost track (cuz there was a mention of a sort of RDNA 3.5 somewhere), is the 9070 what we're expecting AMD to release once they know the RTX 5000 series pricing, instead of the RX 8000 series cards? Or is the 9070 what we're expecting AMD to release once they know the pricing of the RTX 6000 series cards?

Don't know as we don't know whose going to release their cards first, whose before who at CES? If they both announce pricing at CES the if Nvidia get thier day before AMD then AMD will know Nvidia's price and vice versa.

RX 8000 series are APU. hence the 9000 naming for the dGPU's.

RDNA4 is RDNA3.5 as I understand it because after the 9070(formerly 8000 series) AMD will have UDNA GPUs.

I think that's right?

Lol.

Right :)
 
Makes me think, if they go down to 5/6% of the discrete market then will they even continue to bother with it?

Probably not, i don't think that will happen, Sony have given them a kick up the arse probably telling them we need you in this so we are going to work together now, rumour is Sony and AMD have teamed up to develop new features based on AI.
 
Vs 7800 XT

Rumours are 64 CU's (+7%)
At 2.8Ghz base to 3.1Ghz boost, my 7800 XT run's at its advertised boost speed in all games, 2430Mhz, so lets assume a flat 3.Ghz (+23.5%)
Memory: 20Gb/s vs 19.5Gb/s, 625 GB/s vs 640 GB/s (+3%)

The slide below is RDNA 3 overclocked to 2.93Ghz and the +7% CU's added on, IMO this is good for a conservative estimate of the RX 9070 XT.

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Yeah if it's equivalent to a GRE then it's DOA if it's any more than $400.

The leak saying 4080ish perf and RT was 45% improved for RE4 sounds believable, and I say that because the 7000 series already outperformed Nvidia in that game for RT, so it's clearly cherry-picked to some degree. If it said Cyberpunk or something then it would seem a bit more far fetched.

If its 7900 XT +1% in raster and +45% on top of that in RT it puts it here in Cyberpunk, honestly i don't think its going to do better than that, and its good enough IMO.

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The original leak stated 45% RT improved over the XTX, which would be great. But yeah, it will depend on the game and 25% in something like CP would be a massive improvement.

Which would put it here, basically = to a 4080, for a higher - mid level GPU, i'm going to be cautious and stick with my original hypophysis of = to a 3090 Ti, i think even that is pushing it.

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You can tweak RT for CP2077 a lot and maintain great visuals. Hell I can get the RT+PT from Ultra+ and maintain stable fps @ 2560x1080 w/ XeSS Q on a 'mere' RX 6800. Problem is, comparatively it will still be quite weak (and the vram advantage of yesteryear, 8 GB vs 16 GB, is gone) so AMD needs to be very aggressive on pricing for it to matter, because that's their only lever left to pull.

The RT isn't as horrible on 7000 series or yes to a lesser extent the 6000 series as some people seem to think, its most games that are heavily influenced by Nvidia that are the worst. Hance my deliberately choosing Cyberpunk as the yardstick, that's what every reviewer does.

Doom Eternal everything maxed out 4K, 100Hz.

Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition, everything maxed out 1440P, this was literally a slide show on the 2070 S, the 7800 XT is multiple factors faster with RT.


 
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I agree, 45% is achievable in RE4 because the RT implementation is very light in that game, I expect less so in Nvidia-sponsored games.

They just need to get their RT perf a bit closer to their raster to make it a little more balanced and thus more enticing. The 7900xtx is slightly ahead of a 4080 in raster, but for heavily raytraced titles it practically matched a 3080 which is a bit wonky.

Not all bad is it? :)

As i posted before Doom Eternal and some better ones...

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AMD repeatedly launching late and a few percent cheaper ain't going to cut it,especially when Nvidia has much more stock too. RDNA4 should have been out last year,so the cards were compared to the RTX4000 series. Using old TSMC 4N 5NM and ancient GDDR6 and they still can't get these out,when Nvidia is moving onto GDDR7,which means there will be power savings too.

But AMD is going to launch these when the RTX5000 series is out and will look even more behind and the tariffs will further increase price.

As usual AMD are more concerned with trying to clear out old stock at a minimal discount and match Nvidia pricing. Now we are hearing March is when these cards will actually have volume,this is going to be another disaster unless they are priced cheap. In the end if this is another useless launch,with poorly supported features,limited stock,etc they should honestly just give up and concentrate on consoles and integrated graphics.

99% of people won't bother waiting for them - even those who would consider them.

Ever since their rubbish "we are a premium" brand marketing strategy their share has disintegrated. Nvidia spends lots of money on marketing and features and bothers to do proper launches.If AMD want's to do the same they need to spent more money and effort.

Most system integrators won't touch AMD with a bargepole if they are launching at the same time as Nvidia(or later) and with less volume. The laptop RTX4060 is the second most popular dGPU on Steam,because it's easy to find. AMD cards are hard to find,because system integrators can't be bothered with them.

I would agree with them - why wait for AMD if there is no real advantage in time to market and cost for them over Nvidia? The mainstream RDNA3 cards launched after the RTX4000 equivalents.

The only selling point left for AMD is moar VRAM. But because they launch so late,Nvidia will end up finding ways around that too.

Aren't they both paper launching in a few days with availability in a few weeks?
 
Apparently. The other issue will be the tariffs which will probably not help the global price.

Trump is all mouth, or rather he uses these kind of threats to put people on edge which helps him get what he wants, he wants a better balance of trade between China / EU and the US, we don't buy much of their stuff and China certainly doesn't, he wants to redress that and the threat of tariffs is a good motivator.

Those tariffs are not going to happen, there will be a compromise, a deal.

But ignoring that its a good idea to at least get the products imported and stock piled where they are to be sold.
 
Also... i forgot, those tariffs shouldn't effect us, the UK isn't imposing any new tariffs on Chinses made goods, at least not beyond the tariffs we already put on such goods, yes we already do it, its called VAT.
 
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Like i said, its not going to happen, he just wants the world to buy more American made stuff, we already buy a very small number of their cars and opening up more of the US market to the UK / EU shouldn't be a problem, unless Labour try to make it one.
 
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Sapphire are the GOAT.

Take a look at this, one of these is the 7800 XT Nitro+, the other a bogo standard 7700 XT Pulse, ok so if i was to ask you which is which most of you will spot it in a second but beyond that look at how over built these PCB's are and other than the obvious what is the difference between the Nitro+ and Pulse PCB's? Almost nothing, its not like the cheaper model is in any way cut down, the Pulse PCB is just as robust as the Nitro +, the only difference between them are the cooler and some RGB.

Can you imagine Asus using the same PCB for the Dual as they do for the ROG Strix?

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What we wanted was RDNA 4, what we got was AI, AI, AI, AI, some AI, and AI.

Can AMD talk about something other what their investors want to hear for 5 out of 45 minutes?
 
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I wonder how much they are panicking now?

I bet they thought (I know I did) that they would release at higher prices than the last gen and instead came in lower.

Its doesn't matter anyway, after waiting 9 month to launch the 7800 XT Nvidia dropped the price of the 4070 from $599 to $549 the moment they knew the 7800 XT price, Nvidia are never going to not react to anything AMD do, if Nvidia launch the 5070 at $649 and AMD do the 9070 XT for $549 the 5070 will be reduced to $599 the next day.

You're never going to win silly games, just launch it when its ready and at a good price, if it doesn't sell then it never will, you already know this, suck that up and go from there.
 
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This is their whole strategy of delaying all their launches until Nvidia shows the products is a losing strategy. Nvidia is pricing against the own products with maybe a slight adjustment if AMD has something competitive and works wonders for them. They are not worried when AMD releases their cards.

A 7900XT is around 30% faster than a RX7800XT at qHD according to TPU. The RX6700XT was 32% faster than an RX5700XT. The RX7800XT was 47% faster than an RX6700XT. The RX9070XT would have been the RX8700XT,so was always a sub £480 card.

So instead of trying to play a failed game of "Jebaiting" Nvidia,they should have launched this in October/November at £450 and be done with it.

Yeah and were just tired of this on top of all the AI crap, just talk to us at least once.

We waited 9 months for the 7800 XT and they only did that because Nvidia didn't launch the 4070 until 7 months after the 4090. What happened when you did? Nvidia dropped the price of the 4070 days later, it had only been out for a few weeks. They are always going to do this.... There is no scenario in which you win.
 
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