I do think they would benefit hugely from launching first, assuming the price to performance is there, while they likely won't get a massive number of sales out the gate, if every vaguely disappointed 5000 series review ends with "the 9070 xt offers better price to performance" they could see a huge bump in sales off the back on nvidias marketing
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Good to see someone knows how to calculate percentages correctly. It's amazing how often people who should know better get it wrong.
Thanking you, I did try looking for comparison videos but I couldn't find what I was looking for that didn't include other factors.22%
You have heard my compatriots recently (once again) voted in president is an unhinged reality TV presenter?
If you really want a laugh, go to PCMR on Reddit. It's like watchiny 10 year-old children argue about how their daddy's have bigger muscles (with most not understanding basic mechanics of how muscles function).
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The difference is though with Ryzen AMD undercut the absolute crap out of Intel, they didn't perform anywhere close in the first couple of gens but priced it so cheap people switched, people realised AMD are not that bad and look at the CPU market now.
The problem is AMD refuse to do that with GPUs (could be about to change) they only need one break out generation to make people realise Nvidia are ripping them off, one generation of users to make them realise their drivers are perfectly OK.
AMD had the chance in the 7000 series they didn't.
We will see how it pans out next week and the week after.
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Having dedicated AI hardware might be a good sign that these will work well with AI apps? Guess we'll see soon enough. If it does I'll be interested provided they get pricing right, if not it's Nvidia.
Both AMD and Nvidia will have paid spies in enough places of the supply chain to know each others approximate performance.
I would guess that AMDs drivers are undercooked on a few key titles which would affect an overall performance score.
I don't understand. Why is it not 18%? I've been staring at the image like it is some sort of brain teaser lol.
What is 100 as a percentage of 82?I don't understand. Why is it not 18%? I've been staring at the image like it is some sort of brain teaser lol.
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh. Well don't I feel silly haha.
They used to have a lot more headroom (my memory only goes to the tail end of polaris and up, Vega56/64 on 14nm had a lot of headroom as did Radeon VII on 7nm). But as the generations roll on they've made better, more optimised and more specific designs for gaming, and there's less headroom as a result. Even back in the Radeon VII days every card came out of the factory with it's own voltage curve, so they did try and make use of binning for the consumers benefit. However the safety margin was large I think partly to account for compute workloads being much more sensitive to voltage (what might work for gaming might not work for all compute workloads, tl;dr games are poorly optimised and gave the GPU enough of a breather to not crash and burn). Wouldn't be surprised if the safety margin has also reduced greatly with RDNA1/2/3/4 from being more focused on gaming.
You know how the ASRock card is meant to come with a different power connector. Will there be an adapter in the box do we think? Just my PSU isn't ATX3.1 so I just use, at the moment, 3x 8-pin jobbies. Not that I am wanting to get ahead of myself here. 
I would like to think so. Most do if it's a unique connector. I'm toying with the idea of upgrading my 750w seasoning PSU. The coil whine is something else when the GPU is ramped up. I initially thought it was my Vega 56 but exactly the same when I changed to the 3080.You know how the ASRock card is meant to come with a different power connector. Will there be an adapter in the box do we think? Just my PSU isn't ATX3.1 so I just use, at the moment, 3x 8-pin jobbies. Not that I am wanting to get ahead of myself here.
That makes sense. Good explanation too.
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AMD's issue is they never really follow through.
This has been an issue since they first beat Nvidia to the punch with the 5870 IMO
Would add, criticality of component as well... motherboards are relatively cheap (at least they used to be?!) but it's such a critical part, I try and go deep into forum threads to be aware of all the potential pit falls
I actually think that AMD are not the budget GPU brand. The problem they have is that most people perceive them to be.
RX 6000 series was superior across most segments vs. RTX 3000 (I'm not an RT guy, so ymmv), but it was still perceived as sub-par relative to the competition. The challenge AMD have is altering perception - some of which is down to "features", sure, but a lot of which is down to changing gamers' ingrained bias, which is like turning an ocean liner. The RX 7000 series misstep was not helpful (pricing, efficiency, chiplets etc.).
This ties back to my earlier point that they need to be leveraging their success in CPUs more. I don't think anyone would call AMD a budget CPU brand in the last 5+ years.
I agree with you, but look at the piece of smooth brain thinking below. This is typical of the uphill mind war that AMD are fighting against...
An ode to the RTX 4090 and why high-end GPUs can sometimes be the best value
The new RTX 5090 doesn't look quite as compelling.
Define "right thing"?
Corpo execs have a fiduciary duty to do right by their shareholders (i.e., generate maximum returns with the assets they have). As much as it pains us as gamers, "doing the right thing" by saving us a hundred bucks each on a GPU is actually doing the wrong thing for their shareholders, who they have ultimate accountability to.
See point above - why should they price relative to a few years ago when it's clear the market has moved on and customers will pay a higher price?
(I'm not happy about this, just outlining the reality of it
)Also, supply constraint is a thing! Why should they take lower profits when they know they can sell a lower volume of consumer GPUs at a high price/profit, and use the silicon capacity in servers for an even higher margin? (Fourth response down here).
XT Red Devil is allegely 352mm long!
I know dude, they all look really long... it's problematic
In fairness, the other choice was not great either
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Build up hype for an actual date
I don't understand. Why is it not 18%? I've been staring at the image like it is some sort of brain teaser lol.
When some one asks how much faster is A than B you need to calculate how much performance B needs to gain to reach A. the simplest way to do that is to divide A by B
So if A is 100% and B 82% you divide 100 by 82 = 1.21951, the number greater than the decimal point is the performance needed to reach 100%, target A, rounded to the nearest number, that being 1.22 so its 22%.
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