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[MyBrainz]

With exchange rate adjustments (significantly weaker pound) and inflation, then £550 would be about right.

If thats the price, I end up getting the non XT or wait for price drops/offers

Dont know why I should have to pay stupid money just to run a PC I play one game on and Dj from, I dont need all this DLSS/FSR/FG/MFG crap.

They need to make cheaper cards that dont have those feature like this 3060Ti version I have, LHR Model?

Then they get my purchase without any complaints as long as they're affordable to normal people.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Just to reiterate, an RX7900XT is only 30% faster than an RX7800XT which was £480 at launch. The RX7800XT was almost 50% faster than an RX6700XT. The RX6700XT is 33% faster than an RX5700XT.

So RX7900XT performance at under £500 is what we should be getting at a bare minimum this generation from either company.

Remember even the RX5700XT was originally the RX690 and the die size of the chip was the same as Polaris.

 

[petridish]

If thats the price, I end up getting the non XT or wait for price drops/offers

Dont know why I should have to pay stupid money just to run a PC I play one game on and Dj from, I dont need all this DLSS/FSR/FG/MFG crap.

They need to make cheaper cards that dont have those feature like this 3060Ti version I have, LHR Model?

Then they get my purchase without any complaints as long as they're affordable to normal people.

But just think how that MFG will help your DJing! More (fake) notes to give you higher BPM! The more you pay the more you save rave! /s

 

[ZG002]

Just to reiterate, an RX7900XT is only 30% faster than an RX7800XT which was £480 at launch. The RX7800XT was almost 50% faster than an RX6700XT. The RX6700XT is 33% faster than an RX5700XT.
So RX7900XT performance at under £500 is what we should be getting at a bare minimum this generation from either company.

Should be....

Unless intel release something to really shake it up they will price fix all the way to the moon imo.

 

[MyBrainz]

But just think how that MFG will help your DJing! More (fake) notes to give you higher BPM! The more you pay the more you save rave! /s

I dont need more bpm, Organic House at around 120bpm-122bpm is enough for me, getting older and slowing down now

 

[ZG002]

Couple of examples above prove how Jensen has brainwashed people.. ridiculous.

Hardly, I haven't built a PC for over 10 years so follow none of this usually.

I just don't trust people, never mind big corporations to do the right thing, if they can get more money out of your pocket.. they will.

There will be loads of cross info between these two, AMD will of known what was going to be said on the green stage before it was said so decided to hold off. Now that's either because they were spooked (that's looking doubtful) or someone high up has seen an opportunity and quickly needed to shift some pawns. When was the last time either of them let you down?...

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Should be....

Unless intel release something to really shake it up they will price fix all the way to the moon imo.

Then I have a 50/50 chance of buying one myself and the RX9070 will probably be a sales failure compared to the RTX5070.The RTX5070 will be be probably close to the RTX4070TI,ie, not much slower than an RX7900XT.
Nvidia not only has a more mature and well developed software stack, their features are better integrated into games too. The RTX5070 cards are physically smaller and probably will consume less power too,so will be easier for people to use in their systems.

The RX9070 series cards not only look huge but need a minimum of two 8 pin PCI-E power connectors.

Ever since AMD priced relative to Nvidia they lost marketshare. They need to price relative to their own stack!

With inflation, then £400 in 2019 would be about £530 now. Remember inflation is cumulative.

You say that - yet lots of other PC parts I have gotten deals on. It only seems graphics cards and Samsung/Apple mobile phones seem to have this hyperinflation.

Both Nvidia and AMD have huge margins. IIRC they are on the level or even more than Intel was having when they made quad cores for years and milked the market.

Even AMD probably jacked up the price of the RX5700XT. One of their early promo images had RX690 on it - the chip in it was a Polaris sized one and Polaris was a sub £300 series of cards.

Nvidia,OTH,jacked the priced up of their cards during Turing. So the RX5700XT was marketed to "match" the RTX2070. If Turing had been a normal generational uplift,the RX5700XT would have been a £300 card. The RX5700XT was on a cutting edge node too.

What we have had is two performance stagnations in the last decade - Turing and Ada Lovelace. Plus we had the price inflation of the Pandemic which apparently graphics cards haven't recovered from.

The RTX5070 is what a 60/60TI series card used to be,if looking at the hardware configuration. It really is an RTX3060/RTX3060TI series replacement at best. The node Nvidia using is not new anymore and pricing would have dropped too.

 

[ICDP]

Ever since AMD priced relative to Nvidia they lost marketshare. They need to price relative to their own stack!

You say that - yet lots of other PC parts I have gotten deals on. It only seems graphics cards and Samsung/Apple mobile phones seem to have this hyperinflation.

Both Nvidia and AMD have huge margins. IIRC they are on the level or even more than Intel was having when they made quad cores for years and milked the market.

Agreed but when you look at parts that are cheaper it’s usually because of competition. CPUs have risen in price relatively, as has RAM and SSD NVMe drives and of course PSUs and motherboards. Some is inflation and sometimes supply and demand drives prices. With GPUs I agree a lot of it is greed.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Agreed but when you look at parts that are cheaper it’s usually because of competition. CPUs have risen in price relatively, as has RAM and SSD NVMe drives and of course PSUs and motherboards. Some is inflation and sometimes supply and demand drives prices. With GPUs I agree a lot of it is greed.

Nowhere as much and my Ryzen 7 7800X3D was under £300 a few months ago. Relative to even 2019,you can still find AM5 Ryzen 5 CPUs at under £200 and Ryzen 7 CPUs at under £300. There are decent B650 motherboards for £100. SSD prices have increased since 2023,when the glut of storage meant companies had to clear it all out. But SSDs are still cheaper relative to 2022 and earlier. You can get a decent 850W modular PSU for under £100 still. The same goes with other technical hobbies I have - they too are subject to general inflation and any manufacturing cost increases,but haven't see anywhere as much shrinkflation.

Graphics cards are basically showing artificial market manipulation. Also I am going to point out the PS5 PRO is probably RTX4070/RX7800XT with 12GB VRAM. A mainstream £250 to £350 card would need to at least match that level of performance or be better. At this rate,we will barely see that happening.

The reality,just like with AAA games,these companies realise gamers are weak willed and are easy pushovers. So realise they can do a bit of marketing and get easy money. It's time consumers start putting their own interests first,instead of worrying about companies own costs,inflation,etc. I simply stopped caring now - if companies can prioritise their margins,so should I!

Ever since all this shrinkflation has started to happen,I have actually spent less per year on graphics cards,etc than in the past. I end up spending the budget on my other hobbies.

 

[thebandit]

The trouble AMD have is they are already on the back foot on GPUs, given the same performance on competing cards just to get equal market share they have to price below Nvidia because of peoples mindset. THe educated could argue that nvidia have an extended feature set but Im sure the general mid-range GPU buying public arent touching them, its just cos people.
It's no different from how it used to be with CPUs, no matter how competitive AMD were "people" bought Intel.

 

[Nutty667]

Wonder if the cards in some shops in Europe lends more credibility to that video I posted other day ?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The trouble AMD have is they are already on the back foot on GPUs, given the same performance on competing cards just to get equal market share they have to price below Nvidia because of peoples mindset. THe educated could argue that nvidia have an extended feature set but Im sure the general mid-range GPU buying public arent touching them, its just cos people.
It's no different from how it used to be with CPUs, no matter how competitive AMD were "people" bought Intel.

But even then AMD needs to compete against it's own stack. Sub £500 RX7900XT/RTX4070TI performance is the minimum what we should expect from either companies. That is barely 30% more than an RTX4070/RX7800XT.

The RTX4070/RTX4070TI series used an RTX3060/GTX1660 series sized chip and memory configuration! AMD needs to stop pricing relative to Nvidia and just price their products well from launch.

Gamers really are their worst enemies - just look at all the half complete overpriced AAA games full of microtransactions,etc. Companies increasingly are looking at gamers as whales.

 

[harmattan]

If thats the price, I end up getting the non XT or wait for price drops/offers

Dont know why I should have to pay stupid money just to run a PC I play one game on and Dj from, I dont need all this DLSS/FSR/FG/MFG crap.

They need to make cheaper cards that dont have those feature like this

Who's realistically buying any of these gpus before benchmark reviews are released? I'm guessing AMD aren't using DDR7 either ?

Do you think AMD might pull a blinder here and up the 9070xt to 18gb of ram ?

Not possible with that 256 bus width. VRAM will be 16gb and will likely stay there.

What may change is power limits from AIB models. I does seem like RDNA4 may have some scaling headroom depending on power and cooling, so we should see some models e.g the MBA performing at 7800xt raster/4070 RT levels and other higher-end models performing around 4080 Super raster/4070 ti RT -- creating segmentation with power limits intead of GPU SKUs, as it were. The latter models, of course, will have a price premium.

 

[RBImGuy]

Not possible with that 256 bus width. VRAM will be 16gb and will likely stay there.

What may change is power limits from AIB models. I does seem like RDNA4 may have some scaling headroom depending on power and cooling, so we should see some models e.g the MBA performing at 7800xt raster/4070 RT levels and other higher-end models performing around 4080 Super raster/4070 ti RT -- creating segmentation with power limits intead of GPU SKUs, as it were. The latter models, of course, will have a price premium.

wont suprise me if we see some 9070xt run at 3.5ghz
These cards will need watercooling to max out

 

[Chrisc]

Man, I really need to stop wading into the comments section of Videocardz articles... Every time, I lose a couple of IQ points

i keep thinking its just AI fighting itself.

Nobody can be that stupid surely?

 

[PeegeeTips]

XT Red Devil is allegely 352mm long!

 

[uscool]

The wait continues

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