*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[NZXT30]

Obviously a tenner and a packet of Quavers is a bit of an exaggeration , but the point stands.

Normies and the general consumer have been told for years that Nvidia is worth any price they ask for because of the extra features that AMD don't have, better performance, better drivers, AMD's bad pricing, the list goes on. The 5070 is 4090 performance, in case you didn't know!

Look at the 5000 series thread, people were queuing up to spend £2500 on a GPU they knew nothing about except it had a billion cores and 32gb VRAM. Now it looks like it might not be the second coming of GPU Jesus, but people seem mainly undeterred.

Even on this thread, on this page, there is criticism of the 9070xt only offering 16gb VRAM, which Nvidia are offering on a £1k (MSRP) card.

All this points to the 5070 being an 'ok' deal. The only noise being made is about 8gb VRAM being not enough, 12gb is more than that and only 4gb less than the second card in the stack, no further thought required.

There is a point at which the consumer gets the market it deserves. This generation needs to be the start of the turning point for both the manufacturer and the paying customer.

I'm not sure how many times we need to debank this myth. I really can't go back in history and outline all AMDs failures for the 100th time.

AMD used to have equal marketshare to Nvidia and has gradually lost it all. AMD losing their customers is solely on them.

 

[Bidley]

Why did ocuk remove them from the site?

I think because loads of news sites, reddit etc were linking it as a leak source, when it was probably thrown up to pad out the landing page. It had both the 9070 and the xt as having the same amount of cores, just varying clock speeds so it was probably incorrect.

Note this is just my opinion - I've not seen anything from OCUK regarding this.

 

[Bidley]

I'm not sure how many times we need to debank this myth. I really can't go back in history and outline all AMDs failures for the 100th time.

AMD used to have equal marketshare to Nvidia and has gradually lost it all. AMD losing their customers is solely on them.

I'm not talking about history, I'm talking about this coming generation.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I think because loads of news sites, reddit etc were linking it as a leak source, when it was probably thrown up to pad out the landing page. It had both the 9070 and the xt as having the same amount of cores, just varying clock speeds so it was probably incorrect.

Note this is just my opinion - I've not seen anything from OCUK regarding this.

No I wasn't thinking about that side of it, more interested in if they have the stock and its ready to go like will @Gibbo throw up a pre-order thread like he has for the nvidia cards?

 

[Bidley]

No I wasn't thinking about that side of it, more interested in if they have the stock and its ready to go like will @Gibbo throw up a pre-order thread like he has for the nvidia cards?

Oh I see. Yeah I was thinking about that. I would imagine it's probably because there's no launch date announced?

Mind you the B580 only got a "it's in stock now" thread.

 

[mahius]

I'm out until the 1000/6000 series.Couldn't be bothered waiting,so i bought a 7900XT for £380 locally this morning

That's actually a cracking deal, even 2nd hand, I don't even think any of these new GPUs are likely to beat such value. I seem to recall recently seeing 7800XT selling for far more on the MM here.

Speaking of value, here's a thought about the new GPUs. Given the AMD buggered up initially with 7900XT, by pricing it too close to the 7900XTX...
How much cheaper should 9070 (non XT) be compared to the 9070XT to make it a viable cheaper option?
Nvidia have cleverly put ~$200 between the 5070 and 5070ti, to reduce chances of one cannibalising the other's sales.
IMHO, a price difference of £100 between the two is too close. I feel like 7700XT had the same issue, too closely priced to the 7800XT.

Also regarding stock & pre-orders, also very important for AMD to get right. They could price as aggressively as folks want them to, but its meaningless with low stock, which would lead to price inflation far above MSRP. It looks almost certain for Nvidia and again an opportunity for AMD to gain their desired sales, provided they have the stock for it. Intel messed that one up by only having a handful of B850s sent to retailers.

 

[Bidley]

That's actually a cracking deal, even 2nd hand, I don't even think any of these new GPUs are likely to beat such value. I seem to recall recently seeing 7800XT selling for far more on the MM here.

Speaking of value, here's a thought about the new GPUs. Given the AMD buggered up initially with 7900XT, by pricing it too close to the 7900XTX...
How much cheaper should 9070 (non XT) be compared to the 9070XT to make it a viable cheaper option?
Nvidia have cleverly put ~$200 between the 5070 and 5070ti, to reduce chances of one cannibalising the other's sales.
IMHO, a price difference of £100 between the two is too close. I feel like 7700XT had the same issue, too closely priced to the 7800XT.

Also regarding stock & pre-orders, also very important for AMD to get right. They could price as aggressively as folks want them to, but its meaningless with low stock, which would lead to price inflation far above MSRP. It looks almost certain for Nvidia and again an opportunity for AMD to gain their desired sales ,provided they have the stock for it. Intel messed that one up by only having a handful of B850s sent to relears

Good question. If it performs close to the xt, then pricing it much lower will cannibalise the xt sales, closer to the xt and you get the problem you mentioned.

Nvidia haven't been clever with the pricing, they've been clever by providing less VRAM on the 5070. The 9070 has the same amount of VRAM as the xt so it's a bit muddier as to which would be the better deal.

I'm expecting low stock. It's the new normal. It was no different with the 9800X3D, the B580 and almost undeniably will be for the 5080 and 5090. No reason to expect any different for Radeon.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Supposedly these are being shown off and details etc on the 22nd and then released Thursday..

Hopefully having AI hardware means AI apps just work now too, guess we find out soon enough.

 

[humbug]

Only Mores Law is Dead, in the Cyberpunk bar chart to give one example.... would make a graph that says it represents one res / setting (4K RT Ultra) and one measure (AVR FPS) and then create 5 wildly different bars for that.... Which is it Tom? are you going to pick one when the reviews come out and say you were right????

 

[Case1987]

Which colour is the 9070XT supposed to be?

 

[humbug]

Which colour is the 9070XT supposed to be?

All of them, read above.

 

[Alexrose1uk]

They seem to miss everytime... without fail.

They don't just miss, they have a glaring tendency to turn around and punt the ball into thier own goal lol

 

[gpuerrilla]

I am hoping this one time its a kick in off the post!

 

[Alexrose1uk]

Which colour is the 9070XT supposed to be?

If I'm reading it right its the dark orange/red, whilst the 7900XTX is the blue.

If these are accurate the card is at worst similar to a 7900XT at other times right on top of a 7900XTX for raster.
When RT is called in it's sometimes drastically faster, for example the upscale Wukong example it's beating the 7900XTX by 50% roughly. Still sub 60fps, but a big uplift nonetheless.

If they price these at £450-499, I'm very interested, the XT could be an ideal upgrade from my 3080 at the right price.

They cannot price too high if they really do want to build mindshare, but we'll see.

If they can launch before Nvidia, and beat Nvidia's old cards substantially in price to performance, that'll look nice in the initial reviews, and then if they're better value than what Nvidia's launching at the announced prices, that'd be great PR. We're getting a lot of performance leaks suggesting these will actually be decent cards, it's all about the pricing structure (and not just US $ RRP but what they end up costing here and in Europe).

£399/449 would have me very excited, £449/499 I could very easily see. Higher I can also see and wouldn't surprise me but would put a dampner on the excitement, and also the ability to really gain marketshare, as frankly most people dont want to spend £550+

But...AMD have a good chance to burn thier opportunity as always. And I'm really not sure why they do so regularly unless certain people in leadership or marketing/sales are just ignorant.

 

[gpuerrilla]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1880570595253096958

 

[Bidley]

Which colour is the 9070XT supposed to be?

To be fair the video is awful and the colours are all pastel shades of similar, but there is a legend on the bottom.

 

[Alexrose1uk]

Sounding more and more like this'll be a good card if priced right.
I also note the 9070XT listed is not the full wattage rumoured for some of the AIB versions, so maybe even a little more to give.

 

[Bidley]

And I'm really not sure why they do so regularly unless certain people in leadership or marketing/sales are just ignorant.

There have been changes in leadership positions since RDNA3 released. So more reason to be positive.

 

[Alexrose1uk]

I'd like to believe it, we need competition in the space. A 100% dominant Nvidia is not good for anyone, we need strong competition, not so people can buy Nvidia cheaper as thats always been a bit of a joke and actually reinforces the monopoly, but so everyone improves and there is incentive to improve. Ideally we'd want AMD, Intel and Nvidia to all be roughly equal rivals with equally good products in this space, to ensure heavy competition and innovation, along with price wars, which benefit us as consumer.

It's never been as Nvidia dominated as it is now, and we need that to change.

Edit; jeez just realised 21 years on this forum this year haha

 

[fs123]

Which colour is the 9070XT suppose

Only Mores Law is Dead, in the Cyberpunk bar chart to give one example.... would make a graph that says it represents one res / setting (4K RT Ultra) and one measure (AVR FPS) and then create 5 wildly different bars for that.... Which is it Tom? are you going to pick one when the reviews come out and say you were right????

What do you mean 5 wildly different bars? It clearly shows you at the bottom of the first slide that the colors represent 5 different cards. The pink and the orange are the 9070XT and 9070. In CP2077 without RT, the 9070XT is faster than the 7900XT by around 7fps and only 4fps slower than the 7900XTX.

The second slide shows games with RT enabled in which case the 9070XT is faster than the 7900XTX in the heavy RT games.