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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

I don't see the 9070 non xt being over 450. I just don't and since you only live once I've made a bet on it. So I've sold my 6950 for around 330, delivering it tomorrow, and at worst I gain a slight performance boost and a 2 year warranty for 120 over what I get. Could be worse. If the bet completely fails then I just don't care and will be using an old and dusty 980ti for a bit until prices settle, I barely play anything at the moment anyway. Maybe there will be something on the 2nd hand market at some point. Whatever :).
 
I go by the last few generations. The RX6700XT was 33% faster than a 5700XT and the RX7800XT was 50% faster than an RX6700XT. The RX9070 non-XT apparently is slightly slower than an RX7900XT so probably is less than 30% faster than an RX7800XT. So generationally that is average,so the card can't justify a high price over £500.

The RTX4070 Super was readily available for £500 to £550 for the last year. So an RTX5070 with only 10% or 20% better performance than an RTX4070 Super is an RTX4070TI/RX7900XT and that is £540.

Also,as @TNA can testify the RTX4070TI last year could be had sometimes under £600. The RX7900XT dropped to under £600 briefly and was available on deals at £600 to £650 for the last few months before Black Friday.

In the US market this was true too. So,in the end if AMD can't do basic market research and were surprised by the RTX5070,then they must be surprised by the RTX4070 Super too.

So either that report is not true,or AMD are not doing any market research. The Nvidia pricing wasn't a shock IMHO. RTX4000 series pricing was partially due to the glut of RTX3000 stock and the Super refresh helped adjust some of it down.
The same went with Turing.

Phixsator said:
I don't see the 9070 non xt being over 450. I just don't and since you only live once I've made a bet on it. So I've sold my 6950 for around 330, delivering it tomorrow, and at worst I gain a slight performance boost and a 2 year warranty for 120 over what I get. Could be worse. If the bet completely fails then I just don't care and will be using an old and dusty 980ti for a bit until prices settle, I barely play anything at the moment anyway. Maybe there will be something on the 2nd hand market at some point. Whatever
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If AMD are truely "shocked" at the "low" price of the RTX5070,I hate to think what would happen if Nvidia actually bothered to do a normal generational improvement.

Unless the RTX9070 performance is even higher than what MLID leaked,ie,RX9070 faster than an RX7900XT and RX9070XT faster than an RX7900XTX,the RX9070 non-XT has to be under £500. The RX9070XT can be around RTX5070 pricing only if it is significantly faster,ie,15% faster in rasterised for the same price.

Nvidia will do RT better and their software features are more developed. As much extra VRAM is useful,the reality is Nvidia will manage 12GB for the immediate future.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I go by the last few generations. The RX6700XT was 33% faster than a 5700XT and the RX7800XT was 50% faster than an RX6700XT. The RX9070 non-XT apparently is slightly slower than an RX7900XT so probably is less than 30% faster than an RX7800XT. So generationally that is average,so the card can't justify a high price over £500.

The RTX4070 Super was readily available for £500 to £550 for the last year. So an RTX5070 with only 10% or 20% better performance than an RTX4070 Super is an RTX4070TI/RX7900XT and that is £540.

Also,as @TNA can testify the RTX4070TI last year could be had sometimes under £600. The RX7900XT dropped to under £600 briefly and was available on deals at £600 to £650 for the last few months before Black Friday.

In the US market this was true too. So,in the end if AMD can't do basic market research and were surprised by the RTX5070,then they must be surprised by the RTX4070 Super too.

So either that report is not true,or AMD are not doing any market research. The Nvidia pricing wasn't a shock IMHO. RTX4000 series pricing was partially due to the glut of RTX3000 stock and the Super refresh helped adjust some of it down.
The same went with Turing.



If AMD are truely "shocked" at the "low" price of the RTX5070,I hate to think what would happen if Nvidia actually bothered to do a normal generational improvement.

Unless the RTX9070 performance is even higher than what MLID leaked,ie,RX9070 faster than an RX7900XT and RX9070XT faster than an RX7900XTX,the RX9070 non-XT has to be under £500. The RX9070XT can be around RTX5070 pricing only if it is significantly faster,ie,15% faster in rasterised for the same price.

As much extra VRAM is useful,the reality is Nvidia will manage 12GB for the immediate future.
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The screenshot in post #3280 gives the 9070 a 24% lead in raster over the 7800 XT and 40% for the 9070 XT. I haven't worked out the difference in RT, but it's evidently huge.

Not good enough though if the card is launching at the 7800 XT's launch price. In terms of price/performance improvement, it's likely in-line with what Nvidia will be offering with the 5070 vs the 4070.
 
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McPhee said:
The screenshot in post #3280 gives the 9070 a 24% lead in raster over the 7800 XT and 40% for the 9070 XT. I haven't worked out the difference in RT, but it's evidently huge.

Not good enough though if the card is launching at the 7800 XT's launch price. In terms of price/performance improvement, it's likely in-line with what Nvidia will be offering with the 5070 vs the 4070.
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Exactly. Moreover, the 9070 has to be under £500.

If not the RX9060XT is going to be very cut down and over £400.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I go by the last few generations. The RX6700XT was 33% faster than a 5700XT and the RX7800XT was 50% faster than an RX6700XT. The RX9070 non-XT apparently is slightly slower than an RX7900XT so probably is less than 30% faster than an RX7800XT. So generationally that is average,so the card can't justify a high price over £500.

The RTX4070 Super was readily available for £500 to £550 for the last year. So an RTX5070 with only 10% or 20% better performance than an RTX4070 Super is an RTX4070TI/RX7900XT and that is £540.

Also,as @TNA can testify the RTX4070TI last year could be had sometimes under £600. The RX7900XT dropped to under £600 briefly and was available on deals at £600 to £650 for the last few months before Black Friday.

In the US market this was true too. So,in the end if AMD can't do basic market research and were surprised by the RTX5070,then they must be surprised by the RTX4070 Super too.

So either that report is not true,or AMD are not doing any market research. The Nvidia pricing wasn't a shock IMHO. RTX4000 series pricing was partially due to the glut of RTX3000 stock and the Super refresh helped adjust some of it down.
The same went with Turing.



If AMD are truely "shocked" at the "low" price of the RTX5070,I hate to think what would happen if Nvidia actually bothered to do a normal generational improvement.

Unless the RTX9070 performance is even higher than what MLID leaked,ie,RX9070 faster than an RX7900XT and RX9070XT faster than an RX7900XTX,the RX9070 non-XT has to be under £500. The RX9070XT can be around RTX5070 pricing only if it is significantly faster,ie,15% faster in rasterised for the same price.

Nvidia will do RT better and their software features are more developed. As much extra VRAM is useful,the reality is Nvidia will manage 12GB for the immediate future.
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Agreed. Well said.

Not like Nvidia can't bring out supers in 12 months if it turns out vram is becoming an issue and impacting sales.

Amd just need to release their cards with as small margin as they can bare this time round. Stay relevant and maybe even claw some market share back and hope their next gen brand new architecture is a hit.

I am more excited about their next gen udna cards tbh. Naively hoping it is the chiplets design we have been hearing for years.
 
They're definitely just going to end up releasing it at a price where it'll do nothing to change their marketshare/mind share aren't they lol

People will make the same arguements one way or another and 2 years later we'll be here again

AMD have never maintained a strategy, and that's the issue.

Whenever they've had a positive release they never follow it through
 
Octoplex7 said:
Picked mine up in 2023 for £590 on a glitch deal. Sold it a couple of months later for a profit when I realised how hamstrung it was going to be by its 12GB of VRAM. Nice and efficient card though, especially when undervolted.
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I would have considered the same. But only other cardbfor me would have been a 4080 and no way was that worth £300-400 on top.

12GB has been perfectly fine for me thus far. Just 2 games where enabling FG caused me to run out.

The only two games coming out i have interest in and have preordered are FF7 Rebirth and KCD2. Let's see if I run out :D
 
McPhee said:
The screenshot in post #3280 gives the 9070 a 24% lead in raster over the 7800 XT and 40% for the 9070 XT. I haven't worked out the difference in RT, but it's evidently huge.

Not good enough though if the card is launching at the 7800 XT's launch price. In terms of price/performance improvement, it's likely in-line with what Nvidia will be offering with the 5070 vs the 4070.
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Except it'll almost certainly be more generous with the Vram and at 12gb I wouldn't even touch the 5070 its nowhere near sufficient in 2025
 
Apparently the rumors are now saying that retailers paid more for the 9070s than what AMD now wants them to sell for, hence the lack of communication to the public. AMD might have to pay the retailers some money back. It's a massive s***show.
It seems that AMD wanted the XT to sell for $999 and the non-XT to sell for $799, but nvidia's cheaper pricing on the 5070/ti messed everything up.
 
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KNiVES said:
Apparently the rumors are now saying that retailers paid more for the 9070s than what AMD now wants them to sell for, hence the lack of communication to the public. AMD might have to pay the retailers some money back. It's a massive s***show.
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That would explain the radio silence. Must be scrambling behind the scenes. Where did you hear that?
I must admit that I am initially sceptical. Surely even AMD couldn't be so incompetent to balls things up so monumentally?
 
muon said:
Apparently the wholesale price of the cards have already been set and are overpriced. AMD weren't expecting $549 from nvidia for the 5070.

If AIBs have made the cards assuming say they are $599 and $699, then its gonna be hard to get it back down to $499 and $599 for launch.

I reckon AMD will sell the cards at $549 and $649.
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What is even happening?!? AMD is supposed to be bringing prices down not Nvidia :cry:
 
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KNiVES said:
Apparently the rumors are now saying that retailers paid more for the 9070s than what AMD now wants them to sell for, hence the lack of communication to the public. AMD might have to pay the retailers some money back. It's a massive s***show.
It seems that AMD wanted the XT to sell for $999 and the non-XT to sell for $799, but nvidia's cheaper pricing on the 5070/ti messed everything up.
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If true, i can't see AMD dropping them to the previously rumoured prices of up to £500 for the XT!
 
KNiVES said:
Apparently the rumors are now saying that retailers paid more for the 9070s than what AMD now wants them to sell for, hence the lack of communication to the public. AMD might have to pay the retailers some money back. It's a massive s***show.
It seems that AMD wanted the XT to sell for $999 and the non-XT to sell for $799, but nvidia's cheaper pricing on the 5070/ti messed everything up.
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I had read an article on that last night but didn't bother posting it due to speculation. The article didn't state what they were aiming to sell for initially, just that they may have to reimburse retailers/stockists.
 
KNiVES said:
Apparently the rumors are now saying that retailers paid more for the 9070s than what AMD now wants them to sell for, hence the lack of communication to the public. AMD might have to pay the retailers some money back. It's a massive s***show.
It seems that AMD wanted the XT to sell for $999 and the non-XT to sell for $799, but nvidia's cheaper pricing on the 5070/ti messed everything up.
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If that's true AMD should just stop selling graphics cards
 
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