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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

humbug said:
Trying to keep the cost and size down, the 4090 on the same process node is over 600mm, its huge, AMD are trying to keep it in the 300 to 400mm range, which for just shy of 7900 XTX performance is impressive in its self.
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Thanks. So is this basically AMD demonstrating that they weren't kidding when they said they're pulling out of the top end performanc race?
 
COYS said:
Thanks. So is this basically AMD demonstrating that they weren't kidding when they said they're pulling out of the top end performanc race?
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They havent really said that at all. For this gen the midrange is their target, once udna comes in they'll likely be back to the high end again. They've done this in the past a few times, forgone the high end for midrange and then returned.
 
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Sorry but $599 for the XT and $499 for the non XT is just too much IMHO.

If true then they are moving these GPUs up one tier. The 7800 XT was the 6700 XT replacement and was sub $500.

If accurate then AMD missed an open goal yet again.
 
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Apparently the wholesale price of the cards have already been set and are overpriced. AMD weren't expecting $549 from nvidia for the 5070.

If AIBs have made the cards assuming say they are $599 and $699, then its gonna be hard to get it back down to $499 and $599 for launch.

I reckon AMD will sell the cards at $549 and $649.
 
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muon said:
I reckon AMD will sell the cards at $549 and $649.
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It'd be a bust at that price. £600 and £700+ for an AIB? Nah.

It would also contradict what Frank Azor was saying about listening to the feedback about the 7800xt/7900GRE price.

Hopefully they put us out of our misery soon.
 
ICDP said:
Sorry but $599 for the XT and $499 for the non XT is just too much IMHO.

If true then they are moving these GPUs up one tier. The 7800 XT was the 6700 XT replacement and was sub $500.

If accurate then AMD missed an open goal yet again.
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AMD are delusional if the Videocardz article is true. The 6700XT and 7800XT offered 35% to 50% improvements over the cards they replaced at under £500.A 7900XT would be on the low side of that number over an RX7800XT.

Even the RTX5070 should be close to an RTX4070TI at £540. Nvidia already have the RTX4070 Super which is less 10% than slower than a RTX4070TI.

So how can they be surprised by the price?

Are they doing any basic market research?
 
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muon said:
Apparently the wholesale price of the cards have already been set and are overpriced. AMD weren't expecting $549 from nvidia for the 5070.

If AIBs have made the cards assuming say they are $599 and $699, then its gonna be hard to get it back down to $499 and $599 for launch.

I reckon AMD will sell the cards at $549 and $649.
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so much for not scoring an own goal.:mad:
 
Navi 48 is 390mm^2 while GB205 is 263mm^2 and priced at $549. They both use TSMC 4nm and TSMC increased their prices recently.

GB203 is 378mm^2 and priced at $749 and $999 depending on the card. I think AMD may struggle here, although perhaps GDDR6 is a lot cheaper than GDDR7 which might help.

RDNA3 used a GCD+MCD design which helped keep the GCD small. Only 200mm^2 in the 7800XT.

But pictures of RDNA4 show a large monolithic die.

videocardz.com

AMD Navi 48 RDNA4 GPU for Radeon RX 9070 pictured, may exceed NVIDIA AD103 size - VideoCardz.com

AMD Navi 48 in real flesh The GPU is estimated at 390 mm². Navi 48, Source: Tom's Hardware Tom's Hardware captured photos of the tray holding AMD's latest
videocardz.com videocardz.com
 
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muon said:
Navi 48 is 390mm^2 while GB205 is 263mm^2 and priced at $549. They both use TSMC 4nm and TSMC increased their prices recently.

GB203 is 378mm^2 and priced at $749 and $999 depending on the card. I think AMD may struggle here, although perhaps GDDR6 is a lot cheaper than GDDR7 which might help.
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The RX7900XT is only around 30% faster than an RX7800XT which was under £500. An RTX4070 Super is under 10% slower than an RTX4070TI and is under £550. Nvidia only needs to increase performance of the RTX5070 by 10% to 20% over an RTX4070 Super to match an RTX4070TI and get close to an RX7900XT. The RX7800XT even briefly dipped under £400 during Black Friday and frequently has been available for under £450 last year.

So even AMD pricing against their own stack,would mean at least one RX9070 model with RX7900XT level performance would need to be under £500. So I find it hard to believe they would be surprised by the Nvidia pricing,unless they have done zero market research.
 
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muon said:
Navi 48 is 390mm^2 while GB205 is 263mm^2 and priced at $549. They both use TSMC 4nm and TSMC increased their prices recently.

GB203 is 378mm^2 and priced at $749 and $999 depending on the card. I think AMD may struggle here, although perhaps GDDR6 is a lot cheaper than GDDR7 which might help.

RDNA3 used a GCD+MCD design which helped keep the GCD small. Only 200mm^2 in the 7800XT.

But pictures of RDNA4 show a large monolithic die.

videocardz.com

AMD Navi 48 RDNA4 GPU for Radeon RX 9070 pictured, may exceed NVIDIA AD103 size - VideoCardz.com

AMD Navi 48 in real flesh The GPU is estimated at 390 mm². Navi 48, Source: Tom's Hardware Tom's Hardware captured photos of the tray holding AMD's latest
videocardz.com videocardz.com
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Well-reasoned and relevant info, a real collector's item of a post!

Perfect_Chaos said:
They might announce just -50 off Nvidia prices, then they can give misery back to the world.
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I'm sure many will find great pleasure in that.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The RX7900XT is only around 30% faster than an RX7800XT which was under £500. An RTX4070 Super is under 10% slower than an RTX4070TI. Nvidia only needs to increase performance of the RTX5070 by 10% to 20% to match an RTX4070TI and get close to an RX7900XT. The RX7800XT even briefly dipped under £400 during Black Friday and frequently has been available for under £450 last year.

So even AMD pricing against their own stack,would mean at least one RX9070 model with RX7900XT level performance would need to be under £500. So I find it hard to believe they would be surprised by the Nvidia pricing,unless they have done zero market research.
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You don't price new products against the firesale prices of products about to go EoL. The 7900 XT launched at $899 although quickly dropped to $799.

The 7800XT was $499 and 7900 GRE was $550. The 9070 XT will be a fair bit faster than both if it sits in performance between the 7900 XT and 7900 XTX. In RT its similar to the 7900 XTX.

I can see AMD justify prices just either side of $600, even with the 5070 price announced. $500 for a 390mm^2 die just seems very unlikely.
 
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Actually in RT it's between 4070ti and the 4070ti Super, which are faster than the XTX in RT (in games that use impactful RT - not RE4 and the like). Allegedly.
 
I don't see the 9070 non xt being over 450. I just don't and since you only live once I've made a bet on it. So I've sold my 6950 for around 330 360, delivering it tomorrow, and at worst I gain a slight performance boost and a 2 year warranty for 120 over what I get. Could be worse. If the bet completely fails then I just don't care and will be using an old and dusty 980ti for a bit until prices settle, I barely play anything at the moment anyway. Maybe there will be something on the 2nd hand market at some point. Whatever :).

EDIT: First sale fell through. Second guy lined quickly and payed more :D. Another 30 in the pocket.
 
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