*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[StarShock]

Nvidia = Stable, official driver updated as of last week
AMD = 2 months old official stable driver

Things like this put people off, it's one of the reasons Nvidia has over 92% dedicated GPU market share. It's a shame, as the actual hardware and design from AMD is really great.

So amds drivers have been stable for months but nvidia has only managed to have them for a week? Sucks to be an nvidia customer I guess

 

[Hedge]

Nvidia = Stable, official driver updated as of last week
AMD = 2 months old official stable driver

Things like this put people off, it's one of the reasons Nvidia has over 92% dedicated GPU market share. It's a shame, as the actual hardware and design from AMD is really great.

Why are people like yourself who owned a 4090 and now a 5090 so clued up on the state of AMD drivers and making out that they somehow influenced your decision?

Seems odd that they would even be on your radar. But you are out here pushing the agenda against them.

 

[Hedge]

For the record I have a 3060ti in desktop and a 3070ti in laptop. I have literally no clue about AMD drivers because I've not owned an Amd card in a while.

I think it would be pretty odd for me to research AMD driver release dates in order to formulate an argument against them lol.

 

[Gerard]

Why are people like yourself who owned a 4090 and now a 5090 so clued up on the state of AMD drivers and making out that they somehow influenced your decision?

Seems odd that they would even be on your radar. But you are out here pushing the agenda against them.

Plus, he's wrong anyway. Betas are still official and whql means bugger all anyway.

 

[Firegod]

So now if AMD don't release a driver within a defined period they are worse than nvidia. Heard it all now. lol. Maybes have a peek in the Nvidia drivers thread to see how they are getting on.

For the lols - https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforc...3/556589/driver-57216-causing-massive-issues/

Yeah great that Nvidia have released a "stable" driver last week.

 

[Murphy]

Nvidia = Stable, official driver updated as of last week
AMD = 2 months old official stable driver

Things like this put people off, it's one of the reasons Nvidia has over 92% dedicated GPU market share. It's a shame, as the actual hardware and design from AMD is really great.

Not sure why you felt posting great big pictures was necessary when words are more than sufficient, or why you couldn't resize them for that matter.

However putting aside your seeming inability to use the internet, words, and fallacious reasoning if the point you're trying to make is that because Nvidia released a driver a couple of weeks ago when they'd just released a new series of cards i have to say it's a pretty weak argument.

 

[Poneros]

I still think the only people who play VR are into sex games

I know its really racing games and flight sim

Worse. Playing the same games as on a flat screen but in VR instead. Spoiler: worth it!

 

[Besty]

Not sure why you felt posting great big pictures was necessary when words are more than sufficient, or why you couldn't resize them for that matter.

So now if AMD don't release a driver within a defined period they are worse than nvidia. Heard it all now. lol. Maybes have a peek in the Nvidia drivers thread to see how they are getting on.

For the lols - https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforc...3/556589/driver-57216-causing-massive-issues/

Yeah great that Nvidia have released a "stable" driver last week.

The good old days of this forum have returned, thanks Dave! All we need now is Matt to kick off.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

I think you have to remember from an early period in 2024 we knew the direction was not going for the high end. This set expectations low and people also assumed nvidia would make another chunky leap from 40 series to the 50 series. You have to judge AMD on what their dude came out and said (cant remember his name) but it was aiming for mass market which indirectly meant the entry to mid range segments.

I think you have to remember that not everyone that will be buying a GPU or a PC with a GPU in will have watched that or taken any notice of what's been said and what expectations were. A lot of people will probably see that Nvidia make the fastest card (or in many scenarios the fastest 3 or maybe even 4 cards) available and base their buying decision on that, even if they don't end up buying one of those.
The people on this forum and forums like these probably make up quite a small % of the consumer base for GPUs, so don't judge it based on what people on here think or do as a lot of customers probably don't.
I imagine (and I may well be wrong) that there are a lot of people that will just buy the brand they've always bought (AMD or Nvidia) and it's not because of a dislike for the other one, it's just easier. Because their 2060 was a good little card for them they'll buy the 5060. They don't know that naming shenanigans have mislead them to buy something relatively worse. And the 5060 will probably perform decently better than the 2060 so they'll be happy. And the cycle will continue.
These are the people that I think AMD marketing needs to reach. I'm guessing this is AMD's plan with their supposed focus on the mid-range segment.

You also cannot be serious with the successful comment. AMD in its data centre has been pretty good and its cpu has been very strong for a while. However all that said, what is getting tiring is the slippery excuses that nvidia get away with their behaviour. It is totally acceptable to criticise the goliath and let them explain. High prices and diluting the tiers is quite obvious to see now. Low stock paper launch and now the slim gen gains has meant people adjust their behaviour which shows something is shifting even with the greatest of mindshare.

I thought we were talking about the consumer GPU division of the business?
And lets be honest, people are complaining about the Nvidia stuff, let's not make out like everyone's happy with the Nvidia situation. But it doesn't look like AMD are giving people an option at the 5080/5090 level. In fact we don't really know what level AMD are actually competing at, I think that's what's annoying some people. People can't buy the new Nvidia GPUs, but they can't buy the new AMD ones either, despite retailers apparently having stock. I don't think either side has done this release particularly well (so far).

 

[MyBrainz]

I had to use..

Driver Version: 566.14 Release Date: 2024 November 12

until last weeks latest release.

Hoping to switch back to AMD soon, seems like a lot of issues lately with Nvidia.

I remember AMD ran really well with multi-display setups, Nvidia is kinda cranky, sometimes my primary wont even display on boot, never had that with AMD.

Swings and roundabouts innit

 

[aminegriffy]

The market is in the US is cooked guys. You can't even buy 7800xt and the 4070 super is being listed at $1000. Insane stuff.

 

[Sumanji]

Beginning to think I should just unfollow this thread and hang on to my 6900XT for another 4 years...

 

[gpuerrilla]

I think you have to remember that not everyone that will be buying a GPU or a PC with a GPU in will have watched that or taken any notice of what's been said and what expectations were. A lot of people will probably see that Nvidia make the fastest card (or in many scenarios the fastest 3 or maybe even 4 cards) available and base their buying decision on that, even if they don't end up buying one of those.
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I thought we were talking about the consumer GPU division of the business?

You answered this for me. The thread is about rnda4 and the rumours. I am not the one mentioning intel and financials, that would be you. By your own post your saying nobody cares, is not buying a GPU or a PC with a GPU in it.

As we are being honest. Lets rewind to this:

I don't see what's wrong with people wanting Nvidia cards to be cheaper.

Sometimes I wonder what point your really making overall.

The market is in the US is cooked guys. You can't even buy 7800xt and the 4070 super is being listed at $1000. Insane stuff.

Hang on a minute, whoah woah. SOURCE??

Let me take a leaf from Googaly's book:

Also when you say"lots of people buying them", lots in what context? Are you thinking AMD have jumped up to 20% or 30% market share now?

When I mentioned it, I was seeing competitors out of stock - go check them out. Tons of 'pre order' buttons. People must be buying them but I am not your search monkey go look for yourself. I would love a JPR account or privy to this type of info then I could check for you.

 

[aminegriffy]

I won't give name because I'm not sure if the competitor rule applies to other stores abroad, but if you visit the major US retailers and search for the 4000 series or any 7000 series you won't be able to find any. In fact the 4000 does not exists right now in the US.

 

[Birdseed007]

What disgusts me most of all is that Nvidia have deliberately soft launched their new range and hardly shipped any stock at all which of course leads to scalpers and causes prices to rise - ironic considering that their new 5 series is on the whole so disappointing and barely any faster than the 4 series...

Meanwhile AMD (who really ought to be seizing the opportunity to ship masses of product while Nvidia play silly games with the market) seem to have stopped supplying most of their existing range before they have their replacements in the marketplace. In any case the 7900XTX will remain for the foreseeable the top card in their range so you'd think the least they could do is supply that by the bucketload!

I fly FS2020 in VR so my 6800XT is barely powerful enough for that and I would like to upgrade. I was waiting on the 5080 really but its unobtainable and frankly I'm not paying scalper prices for it! My fallback plan was to go for the 7900XTX cos there's nothing from next gen AMD that will be a worthwhile improvement on my 6800XT but even those seem to be seeing climbing prices and are going out of stock...

It's a crapfest it really is and if these firms were trying to kill PC gaming they're going the right way about it!!! £1000 for a graphics card brings the cost of my rig to around £2500 when a games console is 10-20% of the cost and offers 70% of the performance...

As a guy who has been flight simming since Sub-Logic FS2 on the Commodore 64 it's hard not to feel utterly disillusioned by the corporate greed and lack of concern for people like me who have been PC gaming for over 30 years.

NVidia can go screw themselves and AMD aren't much better...

Birdseed

 

[gpuerrilla]

I won't give name because I'm not sure if the competitor rule applies to other stores abroad, but if you visit the major US retailers and search for the 4000 series or any 7000 series you won't be able to find any. In fact the 4000 does not exists right now in the US.

I noticed that when earlier in the week the amd reddit was plastered with people posting got my new XTX pictures. I then went to see if these were being heavily discounted and seen maybe two models at best in stock, some people were even pre-ordering them which is odd for a card that's not meant to be that popular. Maybe there was not that much inventory flowing, but as a guess I'm thinking people who were interested in the Blackwell stuff have also got interested in the Radeon alternatives. The 4090s and 80s are well gone too.

 

[aminegriffy]

I think we have a lot of inventory still left. The 4070 ti super Stalker 2 was on sale not long ago.

 

[Murphy]

Meanwhile AMD (who really ought to be seizing the opportunity to ship masses of product while Nvidia play silly games with the market) seem to have stopped supplying most of their existing range before they have their replacements in the marketplace.

If they're doing it to clear channels of existing inventory while creating a stock buffer of the new then that's a good thing IMO, then again it's AMD we're talking about so you never know, but miracles can happen.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

What disgusts me most of all is that Nvidia have deliberately soft launched their new range and hardly shipped any stock at all which of course leads to scalpers and causes prices to rise - ironic considering that their new 5 series is on the whole so disappointing and barely any faster than the 4 series...

Meanwhile AMD (who really ought to be seizing the opportunity to ship masses of product while Nvidia play silly games with the market) seem to have stopped supplying most of their existing range before they have their replacements in the marketplace. In any case the 7900XTX will remain for the foreseeable the top card in their range so you'd think the least they could do is supply that by the bucketload!

I fly FS2020 in VR so my 6800XT is barely powerful enough for that and I would like to upgrade. I was waiting on the 5080 really but its unobtainable and frankly I'm not paying scalper prices for it! My fallback plan was to go for the 7900XTX cos there's nothing from next gen AMD that will be a worthwhile improvement on my 6800XT but even those seem to be seeing climbing prices and are going out of stock...

It's a crapfest it really is and if these firms were trying to kill PC gaming they're going the right way about it!!! £1000 for a graphics card brings the cost of my rig to around £2500 when a games console is 10-20% of the cost and offers 70% of the performance...

As a guy who has been flight simming since Sub-Logic FS2 on the Commodore 64 it's hard not to feel utterly disillusioned by the corporate greed and lack of concern for people like me who have been PC gaming for over 30 years.

NVidia can go screw themselves and AMD aren't much better...

Birdseed

Its obvious the launch was delayed,so it makes sense stock for the old cards is low because the new ones should have launched already. AMD has been clearing it's inventories for a while.

 

[sx_turbo]

I'm a bit the same. I'd like a 5080, but with the prices and availability I'm not committed to it, so I'm going to wait and see what the 9070 (non-XT) is like. I'm not expecting them to be similar performance, but if I can't get something at a 5080 level or above I'll just get something smaller for now and wait.




It's definitely difficult for AMD, but they managed it against Intel. But I think it hard to blame consumers, it's a company's job to be successful it's not the consumers job to make them successful. That is the whole point of AMD as a business. The general public (not us on the forums, I think we take a different approach to the mass market) needs to be convinced. Being seen as the brand that makes the cheap cards is one thing, but maybe it helps to be seen as the brand that makes the best/fastest cards. Maybe people will pay more for what they see as the better product. I'm not saying every Nvidia card is better than every AMD card, but it would seem for the last few generations the fastest card available to consumers has been an Nvidia. I don't know how much most people know or care about things like RT or upscaling tech, but Nvidia has been leading that too and their marketing has probably played on that. Not everyone is going to watch that HUB video that praised up those 2 AMD cards and make a buying decision off it.
If you consider a lot of the market is laptops and pre-builts, then AMD need to get into those. Surely that's on AMD rather than the customer that's just going to buy what's available?

I still think the biggest reason for the reduced market share is lack of installation in OEM machines.

No doubt Nvidia sell more cards to tech nerds, but a fair amount also have AMD, when reading through forums there is quite significant numbers with and cards.

The issue is with non nerds/the less informed, they buy a pre built gaming pc for a price point, generally made of low quality components but the selling point would usually be having an Nvidia card, they know as far as the higher the last 2 digits on Nvidia card means more money and more performance, which is why AMD changed their naming scheme, however my point here is that they recognise Nvidia as graphics card brand, AMD doesn't have the same level of recognition, they did have when they were ati, I remember the graphics by ati stickers on things most fondly the GameCube.

I know AMD are ati, but i still miss the ati branding

Gaming Laptops are also a good 95%+ Nvidia.

Many businesses cad design machines make use of the cuda cores so more Nvidia cards sold.