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Jacky60 said:
£800 for 4080 level performance is what we've had with the 7900XTX for nearly two years. OK that's not it's msrp but they are selling for $799 including copy of Starfield in the US right now and have often been available at that price in the UK. At £800 that isn't progress its regression and if AMD expect to sell that level of performance at that price especially with less RT performance then they're in for a rude awakening. £650 is where that level of performance has to be to gain market share and mind share.
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I think that's where the reduction in vram has come from and in turn the price will also be less.

AMD have said they will be pricing aggressively, so I think $650-700 for the 9070xt would be about right. Think the 5070ti is RRP $749 so it definitely won't be more than that, AMD usually price their cards slightly less than Nvidia.
 
gpuerrilla said:
I see, but there's no way even the 5070Ti is going to stoop as low as the 3080FE, being AIB for first few months its fantasy thinking otherwise. Even though the 9070 will be in that ballpark you just know certain games it will fall short on. At 5 to 600 pounds though its a great spec and this is not really the card for people on 40 series or the 7900's either tbh.
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I think the 5070ti will come in nearer £900 when the scalping is in full force so that too will be a no from me. The 5070 doesn't really get my bits tingling either so I would rather stick with what I have until next release.
 
michty_me said:
I think the 5070ti will come in nearer £900 when the scalping is in full force so that too will be a no from me. The 5070 doesn't really get my bits tingling either so I would rather stick with what I have until next release.
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Agree. If your shifting it on or passing to a family member I can see it being an option to move off and get fresh warranty. If your happy to sit it out do so, I felt same when the 40 series came out now were another two years gone! :cry:
 
gpuerrilla said:
Agree. If your shifting it on or passing to a family member I can see it being an option to move off and get fresh warranty. If your happy to sit it out do so, I felt same when the 40 series came out now were another two years gone! :cry:
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I reckon I could easily shift on my 3080 to someone locally.
However, I would likely only add to the funds I received up to roughly what I was willing to pay for the FE at MSRP. I would not add an additional MSRP cost to my sell off cost to then bring me up to the £900+ GPU area (if any of that makes sense, it's been a long day)
 
MyBrainz said:
£600-£650 is really not appealing at all when AMD said the XT is targeting the 7900GRE which is currently £500-£580..

The 3080 was £650 MSRP and now xx70 tier cards at £650?

I dont mind a price rise as long as the performance % is higher than the price rise % but it seems the other way around these days.

Reading these forums it is so obvious how conditioned some people have become around here while losing their minds at the same time.

£600-£650 for the 9070XT? Where does that put the 9060XT and 9060 then? £500-£550 and £400-£450?

People are really losing the plot and I hope AMD sort this out because at those prices I'll buy one more GPU before I bow out of PC gaming altogether and if that means spiting AMD and waiting to get a 5070 at MSRP then so be it.
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I think the other issue is that a lot of these contracts were signed at the height of COVID, and with tsmc in high demand they have to pay what tsmc want, rarely do prices ever reduce once people are happy to pay a certain price the price is essentially set forever more, usually only up, rarely down. global foundries cannot compete with tsmc and Samsung are in bed doing mostly mobile chips.

To compare the price to a chip from 4 years ago, might be a little incongruous. AMD do need to make money on each chip they sell, and costs around them have increased dramatically, not just manufacturing but material costs also.

I don't think it's about being conditioned, look at Nvidia fan boys for that, virtually zero performance improvement but willing to pay way over the RRP just to get their mitts on them, but it's generally a fact of life, my shopping bill doesn't appear to be reducing am I being conditioned that the new pricing is the norm, I need to eat.soninhave to pay. I do however refuse to pay food prices at events, one place went to recently wanted £10 for a (yes just 1) cheese toasty, there were 3 of us, absolutely were not paying that.
 
sx_turbo said:
I think the other issue is that a lot of these contracts were signed at the height of COVID, and with tsmc in high demand they have to pay what tsmc want, rarely do prices ever reduce once people are happy to pay a certain price the price is essentially set forever more, usually only up, rarely down. global foundries cannot compete with tsmc and Samsung are in bed doing mostly mobile chips.

To compare the price to a chip from 4 years ago, might be a little incongruous. AMD do need to make money on each chip they sell, and costs around them have increased dramatically, not just manufacturing but material costs also.

I don't think it's about being conditioned, look at Nvidia fan boys for that, virtually zero performance improvement but willing to pay way over the RRP just to get their mitts on them, but it's generally a fact of life, my shopping bill doesn't appear to be reducing am I being conditioned that the new pricing is the norm, I need to eat.soninhave to pay. I do however refuse to pay food prices at events, one place went to recently wanted £10 for a (yes just 1) cheese toasty, there were 3 of us, absolutely were not paying that.
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I remember back when Nvidia released the first Geforce Titan and essentially doubled dGPU prices in one go. There was a "leak" months before of how TSMC 28NM was super expensive and people parroted this as an explanation why - it was quite clear it was intentionally done to justify the price increases.Inflation is not uniform worldwide - hyperinflation in Zimbabwe for example has nothing to do with the cost of Apples in France or how much a PCB costs to make in China.The inflation excuse has been pushed out by various industries globally,just like when they made similar excuses during the Pandemic. Yet despite this many industries margins went up and they made huge amounts of money.

Europe has high inflation due to energy prices going up due to the war in Ukraine which also caused fertiliser prices and the prices of other strategic materials to go up in Europe. But many companies have also used it as an excuse to further increase prices to make extra margins. Smaller businesses are generally getting more screwed over by this than the large companies who have global supply chains.Graphics cards are mostly made in places such as China,Taiwan,etc where inflation is low.The inflation rate in Taiwan is 2.1% and in China it is only 0.50% which has no real impact on costs. Moreover they are increasingly importing cheaper materials from Russia who has been forced to sell to them at a discount.

GDDR6 and many other components costed more during the Pandemic due to lockdowns in China and massively dropped since 2022. Yet when the RTX4000/RX7000 series launched suddenly the Pandemic pricing stayed despite many components such as GDDR6 collapsing in price due to a massive oversupply.Also,even if TSMC charges more for a wafer,the reality that does not suddenly mean a sub 300MM2 TSMC 5N die in a £750 RTX4070TI costs £100s more to make than a Samsung 8NM die of a similar size in a £300 RTX3060.

Most of these price increases for tech are opportunistic and the shrinkflation is way over whatever extra costs they actually have to absorb.It's not for consumers to have to support infinite margin increases in a finite market. Gamers unfortunately have a history of just throwing money at these companies,so why wouldn't they charge more? Consumers need to also act in their own interests too. Gamers don't as FOMO has been cultivated for too long.
 
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I think you only have to look at the motor industry to see similar behaviour.

Model ranges are getting more and more expensive compared to previous generation and build quality has token a bit of a dive, with cheaper materials being used inside the cabin (BMW springs to mind).

Mind you, it’s all about finance and the monthly repayments there.
 
Yeah… I really tempted fate pre-ordering a 5090 and posting this earlier in the thread :|

Nitefly said:
You’ll be waiting for that [AMD] GPU release in March like:

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danlightbulb said:
My 7900XT was £699 in 2023 with a game. So lets call it £670 for the card.

Needs at least 30% improvement at the same price or 30% less price for the same performance.

If the former I might be interested in upgrading.
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Not only that also much better RT and better hardware upscaling
 
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uscool said:
Not only that also much better RT and better hardware upscaling
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I’ll probably hang on till UDNA tbh. Even a 30% uplift isn’t worth it over a 7800xt as vram the same. I was hoping for 24gb or more vram for the 9070 series.

Alas if AMD had announced and released the 9070 series in January I’d probably have succumbed to FOMO by now and got one but the longer it got delayed the more I realised that my card is fine for 1440p right now…. Suspect a lot of people also changed their mindset to keeping their 6000 or even 7000 series and making do.
 
GhostDog1981 said:
I’ll probably hang on till UDNA tbh. Even a 30% uplift isn’t worth it over a 7800xt as vram the same. I was hoping for 24gb or more vram for the 9070 series.

Alas if AMD had announced and released the 9070 series in January I’d probably have succumbed to FOMO by now and got one but the longer it got delayed the more I realised that my card is fine for 1440p right now…. Suspect a lot of people also changed their mindset to keeping their 6000 or even 7000 series and making do.
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Fair enough, the attraction for me is the RT and the ability to use hardware upscaling when needed to make it playable , if it's priced well ofc
 
I'm still in the game for pure raster. I'm currently not too worried about upscaling or RT but I do recognise the need for AMD to get involved with these elements of the GPU technology. Certainly a nice to have.
 
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