*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[t2na]

Joining alert group helped , as group of friends we all managed to get one so can't have been that terrible

Yeah, once the FE's were partnered with an OCUK competitor they actually became much more accessible. Up to that point, buying direct from Nvidia was a total lottery.

Most of my friends just used stock alerts for the FE models and managed to get them throughout 2020 as the drops happened.

 

[Game]

It was insane seeing 2070s being bought on eBay for 700 quid during peak Covid - or 3060Ti's being bought for almost a grand.

I honestly count my lucky stars I completely fluked my way into a 3070 FE when it released.

sold my rx5700 (cost £189) for £500 so looking at it that way my 6700xt only cost me £25 , I did have dodgy people offering me £600-700 but went for a local sale

hoping I can still get £200 for the 6700xt when I upgrade to something in the next few weeks

 

[d_brennen]

I'd argue the "mainstream" is £200-300. Forum member GPU ownership is massively skewed to the high end... Vast majority of PC gamers buy a £200-300 GPU and slap it in their computer. NVs share of the market according to Steam is 75%, vast majority of that is 60 series and below, and older stuff like 1080s. The 4070 accounts for 2.8%, the first arguably "high end" GPU in the list

 

[Game]

Joining alert group helped , as group of friends we all managed to get one so can't have been that terrible

it was before it went completely mad

 

[uscool]

it was before it went completely mad

Yes As time went on drops became less 3080 was very popular

 

[Besty]

I'd argue the "mainstream" is £200-300. Forum member GPU ownership is massively skewed to the high end... Vast majority of PC gamers buy a £200-300 GPU and slap it in their computer. NVs share of the market according to Steam is 75%, vast majority of that is 60 series and below, and older stuff like 1080s. The 4070 accounts for 2.8%, the first arguably "high end" GPU in the list

If you look at the words used by Dr. Su it is that RDNA 4.0 as a generation will address the mainstream market, not the 9070XT.

It absolutley will because, for the first time you won't need a dGPU card to have a good time, you can just buy a RDNA4.0 AMD CPU and off you go.

Every generation needs a Halo product, the 9070XT looks like that product for 2025, unless there is a change in the wind.

 

[Besty]

The MSI recommendation, total system power, for the 5070ti for max OC is 850W, 750W at stock. 300W BIOS

It is unlikely that AMD is as power efficient under max OC so maybe its 900W, total system power, for the 9070XT rig under a OC and not stock. 330W BIOS.

From https://videocardz.com/newz/powerco...s-64-rdna4-compute-units-900w-psu-requirement

• PowerColor RX 9070 Reaper: 650W (2x 8-pin) AMD Reference Specs
• PowerColor RX 9070 XT Reaper: 750W (2x 8-pin) AMD Reference Specs
• PowerColor RX 9070 XT Red Devil: 900W (3x 8-pin) OC Specs

 

[KentMan]

I'd argue the "mainstream" is £200-300. Forum member GPU ownership is massively skewed to the high end... Vast majority of PC gamers buy a £200-300 GPU and slap it in their computer. NVs share of the market according to Steam is 75%, vast majority of that is 60 series and below, and older stuff like 1080s. The 4070 accounts for 2.8%, the first arguably "high end" GPU in the list

While I somewhat agree, AMD wanting to “simplify” naming conventions means they obviously see the 0070 as the “mainstream” alongside anything lower than that, so yeah likely 0060 as well. Below that is casual gaming likely.

What was the most popular cards from Nvidia 2xxx, 3xxx and 4xxx series?

What was AMDs most popular cards from 5xxx, 6xxx and 7xxx series.

That should give an indication of actual market.

I suspect 0060 series and x700 series being the most popular for each vendor.

That’s the market you target as your aim to dominate.

 

[michty_me]

From https://videocardz.com/newz/powerco...s-64-rdna4-compute-units-900w-psu-requirement

• PowerColor RX 9070 Reaper: 650W (2x 8-pin) AMD Reference Specs
• PowerColor RX 9070 XT Reaper: 750W (2x 8-pin) AMD Reference Specs
• PowerColor RX 9070 XT Red Devil: 900W (3x 8-pin) OC Specs

Just as well I opted for a 1200w PSU last week as got it for near enough the cost of the 1000w version.

 

[Bidley]

I had no knowledge of the arcane ways of buying a GPU back then, previously I just looked at which GPU I wanted then bought from the retailer that offered it the cheapest. I never once saw a 3080 for anything like £649 at any point, which is why I eventually bought a 3080 12gb at £1000 in early 2022.

The Steam hardware survey is a bit skewed because the 4060 laptop gpu is 2nd on the list. More people are apparently using Intel igpus than 3070s. Then how much of these are Dell/HP etc prebuilts? If this is your barometer then there is no 'mainstream' dGPU because most people are probably gaming on laptops and pre-builts. Now you've got handhelds too.

But we've had this runaround a few times in this thread. Everything costs more than it did when you could get a 1080ti for £700 or whatever. Companies will price things at whatever the market will bear, not against the cost of something half a decade ago.

The 9070xt looks great, but against the contemporary offerings it looks even better even at £700. If it's within 15% of a 5080 (which people will apparently pay £1800 for) then what does that say? I'd love AMD to do us all a favour and give it away at £400 but I can't see it happening, nor will I be particularly put out if it doesn't.

 

[uscool]

I'd argue the "mainstream" is £200-300. Forum member GPU ownership is massively skewed to the high end... Vast majority of PC gamers buy a £200-300 GPU and slap it in their computer. NVs share of the market according to Steam is 75%, vast majority of that is 60 series and below, and older stuff like 1080s. The 4070 accounts for 2.8%, the first arguably "high end" GPU in the list

Going by traditionally tier naming example by Nvidia 60tier, 70, 80 and 90, I wouldn't call 5080 high tier anymore more 70 tier and so on but here we are , now just paying extra for performance improvement while still being the same tier

 

[uscool]

I had no knowledge of the arcane ways of buying a GPU back then, previously I just looked at which GPU I wanted then bought from the retailer that offered it the cheapest. I never once saw a 3080 for anything like £649 at any point, which is why I eventually bought a 3080 12gb at £1000 in early 2022.

The Steam hardware survey is a bit skewed because the 4060 laptop gpu is 2nd on the list. More people are apparently using Intel igpus than 3070s. Then how much of these are Dell/HP etc prebuilts? If this is your barometer then there is no 'mainstream' dGPU because most people are probably gaming on laptops and pre-builts. Now you've got handhelds too.

But we've had this runaround a few times in this thread. Everything costs more than it did when you could get a 1080ti for £700 or whatever. Companies will price things at whatever the market will bear, not against the cost of something half a decade ago.

The 9070xt looks great, but against the contemporary offerings it looks even better even at £700. If it's within 15% of a 5080 (which people will apparently pay £1800 for) then what does that say? I'd love AMD to do us all a favour and give it away at £400 but I can't see it happening, nor will I be particularly put out if it doesn't.

I'm not expecting to pay £400 or £700+ I ain't also the one paying £1800 for 5080 or even £1000 , also AMD have stated it's replacing RX 7800, and RX 7900

 

[StarShock]

So it has to match a £1000 gfx card in performance but cost £250 less.
Nvidia's marketing is something else I'll give them that

Nah, not buying a 5080. That's absolutely not worth the money. I don't mean to swing me from buying nvidia, I mean to be worth opening my wallet.
750 is over the amount of money I want to spend, for the 9070xt to get me to overspend it needs to be more powerful than anyone expects, would probably have been a better way of putting it

 

[Bidley]

I'm not expecting to pay £400 or £700+ I ain't also the one paying £1800 for 5080 or even £1000 , also AMD have stated it's replacing RX 7800, and RX 7900

I'm not saying you are - you're not the mainstream either, is my point.

 

[terley]

For me, im moving from a rx 7600 8gb, which is very low mid-range and around the same as an rtx 4060...

At this point in eager for any upgrade that can give me 60fps gaming in modern games, a 9070 or 9070xt will be a huge upgrade

 

[mahius]

Does anyone know if there has been any confirmation that the RX 9070 XT will support full-speed DisplayPort 2.1 UHBR20 (80 Gbps of bandwidth)?

Unfortunately, all the leaks so far just say DP 2.1. But I'm sure on the announcement on 28th, they'll detail this. Last time with the 7000 series announcement, AMD were rubbing it in Nvidia's face that they supported DP2.1 while Nvidia was only still using DP 1.4a for 4000 series. So I'd be surprised if this time AMD let Nvidia get ahead being the only GPUs with UHBR20 support, when AMD was also the first with UHBR20 on some of their professional workstation GPUs.

900w psu.. interesting.

I sure hope not, I'm only on a 750W Corsair PSU.

From https://videocardz.com/newz/powerco...s-64-rdna4-compute-units-900w-psu-requirement

• PowerColor RX 9070 Reaper: 650W (2x 8-pin) AMD Reference Specs
• PowerColor RX 9070 XT Reaper: 750W (2x 8-pin) AMD Reference Specs
• PowerColor RX 9070 XT Red Devil: 900W (3x 8-pin) OC Specs

An extra 8-pin does add 150W... but no way a different model of the same GPU uses that much more power, especially when they've got a 2x 8-pin perfectly fine there. Perhaps the overclock does start to need the extra power by a few watts or so and they've just added a full extra 8 pin to be sure. Still, the 750W will do me fine, though the Reaper model looks a bit meh to me, the Red Devil just looks a lot cooler. The Sapphire cards overall look nicer so far, I'm hoping OCUK have some good deals on the Pulse like they usually do. Fingers crossed it uses just 2x8pin. As much as the extra performance is nice, I don't need it, especially coming from a 10-year old GPU

 

[uscool]

I'm not saying you are - you're not the mainstream either, is my point.

Mid tier card then ? They named it as such

 

[michty_me]

I wonder how these will undervolt/overclock...

 

[gpuerrilla]

I sure hope not, I'm only on a 750W Corsair PSU.

I think this is more realistic. Could be a specific AIB version that used that so the announcement will clear it up.

 

[mahius]

It's clear that in general there is a lot of hope and dreams riding on this reveal and launch of this 9070 series (and 9060 series I guess, esp if they hit 7800XT perf for under £300), especially when all the Youtube comments are just dunking on Nvidia and making fun of the 5000 series.

The overall sentiment is Nvidia have messed up big time and now more than ever, is AMD's big opportunity... can they pull off a Ryzen moment for GPUs? Who knows?