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I think PC gaming is now dead.
Even second hand GPU's are still insane price.
Even second hand GPU's are still insane price.
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End of next week.
Next week Friday
think again.
Died in the 90's too, the 00's and the 10's as well.
"What is dead may never die but rises again harder and stronger!"
AAA pc master race gaming is dead, with the acceptance of framegen etc and high prices, it's dead.
Only thing keeping it alive is all of the massive multiplayer games that steam does not have such as world of Warcraft, league of legends and valiant and Fortnite though I argue Fortnite is bigger on consoles.
A bit over dramatic no? You can buy a new 250-300 dollar gpu and play games at 1440p just fine. It wont enlarge your epeen but besides it plays games.
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Intel B580? Pretty damn meh of a card.
been hearing people bang the 'pc gaming is dead' drum for years and yet here we are with folk still clamouring to buy mediocre or even garbage value gpu's. pc gaming is far from dead.
in your opinion it's pretty damn meh, plenty of folk gaming quite happily on theirs.
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£300 for a GPU that has DX9 software emulation wrapper, and high CPU usage, and similar performance to similar priced 4060?
No thanks I don't find under whelming performance questionable driver support for £300 acceptable.
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Pc gaming is doing fine in a numbers sense. The AAA PC only games died a death a long time ago and will most likely stay that way receiving hand me downs from console. On the indy front PC gaming is booming and bigger than the console market. PC gaming is just as alive as it always was just in a different way.
That’s fine if you find that an underwhelming card. Plenty don’t and are gaming on them.
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The developers effort in AAA games is more then evident of this, they put in as much as people buy those games which is barely.
The B580 is a 16GB card, it has that going for it but its not the only £300 16GB card on the market and the other one doesn't need an emulation wrapper to run DX9 games, has very stable drivers and is actually much more efficient with the CPU than even Nvidia never mind Intel.
Why is this BTW? AMD have a thread scheduler on the GPU its self, there is a dedicated piece of silicon that for the purpose of its job at least is effetely a CPU, so it doesn't need your CPU to run its self, a weak CPU can matter as much as 40% of your performance vs Nvidia and who knows what for Intel.
It does add to the size of the die and power consumption but it is worth it i think.
Its bad enough that AMD have this low end system advantage vs Nvidia and are ignored, its really bad that some people would spend the same money on an Intel GPU that is effectively AMD from 2012, IDK maybe some people are nostalgic for spending a portion of their GPU ownership diagnosing driver issues and then waiting for a new driver to hopefully fix it and for their frame rates to be all over the place with weaker CPU's because the driver is hogging half of its rescores just to exist.
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Edit the B580 is 12GB, whatever....
Why is this BTW? AMD have a thread scheduler on the GPU its self, there is a dedicated piece of silicon that for the purpose of its job at least is effetely a CPU, so it doesn't need your CPU to run its self, a weak CPU can matter as much as 40% of your performance vs Nvidia and who knows what for Intel.
It does add to the size of the die and power consumption but it is worth it i think.
Its bad enough that AMD have this low end system advantage vs Nvidia and are ignored, its really bad that some people would spend the same money on an Intel GPU that is effectively AMD from 2012, IDK maybe some people are nostalgic for spending a portion of their GPU ownership diagnosing driver issues and then waiting for a new driver to hopefully fix it and for their frame rates to be all over the place with weaker CPU's because the driver is hogging half of its rescores just to exist.
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Edit the B580 is 12GB, whatever....
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Meh, even within pc gaming us hardware enthusiasts are a minority. I have bunches of friends who have been pc gamers for years, if not decades, who couldn't even tell you what gpu they are running. They don't know or don't care about what nvidia, amd or intel are upto. Every few years when their computer stops being able to play what ever the new game they're interested in is, they go buy a whole system from somewhere, and pick the prettiest one that fits thier budget.
Pc gaming is alive and well. It's just us enthusiasts who are getting reemed
Pc gaming is alive and well. It's just us enthusiasts who are getting reemed
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The B580 is a 16GB card, it has that going for it but its not the only £300 16GB card on the market and the other one doesn't need an emulation wrapper to run DX9 games, has very stable drivers and is actually much more efficient with the CPU than even Nvidia never mind Intel.
Why is this BTW? AMD have a thread scheduler on the GPU its self, there is a dedicated piece of silicon that for the purpose of its job at least is effetely a CPU, so it doesn't need your CPU to run its self, a weak CPU can matter as much as 40% of your performance vs Nvidia and who knows what for Intel.
It does add to the size of the die and power consumption but it is worth it i think.
Its bad enough that AMD have this low end system advantage vs Nvidia and are ignored, its really bad that some people would spend the same money on an Intel GPU that is effectively AMD from 2012, IDK maybe some people are nostalgic for spending a portion of their GPU ownership diagnosing driver issues and then waiting for a new driver to hopefully fix it and for their frame rates to be all over the place with weaker CPU's because the driver is hogging half of its rescores just to exist.
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Edit the B580 is 12GB, whatever....
7600XT does have the 16GB going for it, compared to the 12GB on the B580, but 7600XT could do with a slight bump in performance as it's not quite similar performance across the games. But since it doesn't have the grunt you may need to lower settings.
Bit like the 4060 ti 16GB it has the RAM but not power to go with it.
There is a 10% performance advantage to the B580 at 1440P, 5% at 1080P, 20% at 4K. These are not 4K cards, they aren't really 1440P cards either...
16GB vs 12GB isn't really an advantage for GPU's that are 1080P and some 1440P gaming, IMO, other than Drivers i think the advantage the 7600 XT has over the B580 is its CPU efficiency, i think if your maximum budget is £300 you may also have an old low to mid range CPU and the 7600 XT can deal with that FAR better than the B580 can.
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16GB is probably better long term, even if you use medium settings in the future you don't know how resource hungry they will be, and I would use it till it's a slideshow in games.
My CPU is Ryzen 7 7700.
My CPU is Ryzen 7 7700.