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Jono8 said:
I'd imagine that is a hint as I'd expect them to be £589 and £599 respectively (or something similar).

True UK RRP after conversion, vat and the added shipping costs is likely around the £580 mark afterall
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He’s posting non XT prices, so about £50 too high. This is OCUK and if their 5000 series launch day prices are anything to go by, not actually that bad ;)
 
Ayahuasca said:
It seems odd to have their own models so close in price unless the only real difference is aesthetics, otherwise everyone will just go for the better reviewed card for the sake of a tenner.

Though on saying that, I'm sure plenty of buyers won't even look at reviews.
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Yeah, I think amds issue is that from a production point of view it costs the same to make the 9070 and the 9070xt, same silicon, same memory, just one cut down more than the other. So with as aggressive they priced the xt, it became more difficult to cut further for the non xt. We'll see though. Assuming the xt is super popular and the non xt less so, we may see price drops on the non xt before the end of the year
 
Honestly, part of my thoughts with the 9070 and its higher price is not just that its an upsell; part of me thinks they're actually not getting that many dies hitting that yield, so to make them they're actually cutting down fully working 9070XT dies in many cases, and thus they'd rather you just bought the 9070XT, unless you for example need the (actually fairly decent) reduction in power and heat the 9070 non-XT likely brings. I mean, the 9070 is dropping clocks by 15%, core count by about 5%, but power is roughly 30% lower, so it's definately a more efficient part, and realistically in many cases, failed dies are LESS efficient/optimal, not more.

In this sense, its not so much as an upsell, but a premium on a less cost effective part, with the 9070XT NOT being failed dies, but actually just dies that are being cut slightly, and downclocked to put them lower on the optimal heat/power curve; thus the premium; it's a cut full die, rather than a defective one.

Without an eye inside AMD though, its hard to know if thats the truth, or if it is just an upsell; but honestly I could believe it, as they'd have had an even bigger mindshare win if they'd announced a 499/599 RRP for the two cards.
 
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Alexrose1uk said:
Honestly its a shame if the 9070xt doesnt hit the 599 mark, BUT even £649 in people's hands for an AIB aftermarket model doesn't sound that crazy, when you consider the 5070ti is bare minimum £800 in peoples hands, and many of them are selling for £850+

I'd still love to see some hit the magic 599 mark, but if reality in the UK is 649, at least for the initial launch rush...well...I get it.

I mean I'm used to the AIB (especially higher end) tax being around £50-100 on most cards, so if the Taichi OC is £699, it seems fairly likely most other cards except maybe ASUS (as they're a joke), will be less.
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if its £600, ill probably bite. if its £650 ill hold off. £50 doesnt sound a lot, but ive just paid out nearly £7k on an engine rebuild and £50 is a lot of money at the minute. :cry:
 
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Completely understand the £50 may be make or break, compared to the Nvidia competition however, its looking like the 5070 is going to be more or less competing with the 9070XT on price (at least based on the inflation of the other Nvidia 5000 series cards over RRP) which doesn't seem like its going to go well.
 
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ICDP said:
Look at the GPU core clock avg compared to VRAM. The VRAM is running maxed out but the core clocks are at stuck at base clock with zero boosting (left screen). The screen on the right shows lower than game boost clock and only 25% fixed fan speed (right screen)

Someone is taking those screenshots from a 24/7 mining session with low fan speeds. Or they are 100% doctored BS that don’t remotely stack up to scrutiny. Anyone believing those and even posting them is simply showing their bias and lack of critical thinking skills.
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Yeah I noticed that as well.. It stinks to high heaven. Even if this is normal behaviour it is still within spec. So its a
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StarShock said:
Yeah, I think amds issue is that from a production point of view it costs the same to make the 9070 and the 9070xt, same silicon, same memory, just one cut down more than the other. So with as aggressive they priced the xt, it became more difficult to cut further for the non xt. We'll see though. Assuming the xt is super popular and the non xt less so, we may see price drops on the non xt before the end of the year
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I was actually referring to the price difference between 9070 non-XT models from the same brand, i.e. these two ASRock models, which are potentially only a tenner apart in price.
 
Chrisc said:
if its £600, ill probably bite. if its £650 ill hold off. £50 doesnt sound a lot, but ive just paid out nearly £7k on an engine rebuild and £50 is a lot of money at the minute. :cry:
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likewise.

i need a new GPU for the folks, and i will stretch to £600 and then give them my 6800XT.

but if it's £650 for a base XT then they can wait, and get a budget card in four months time.
 
Chrisc said:
if its £600, ill probably bite. if its £650 ill hold off. £50 doesnt sound a lot, but ive just paid out nearly £7k on an engine rebuild and £50 is a lot of money at the minute. :cry:
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Same, although my thinking is when a 7900 XT with 20GB can be picked up for under £650 the 9070 XT with 16GB would have to see a marked improvement to warrant a higher price.
 
Murphy said:
Same, although my thinking is when a 7900 XT with 20GB can be picked up for under £650 the 9070 XT with 16GB would have to see a marked improvement to warrant a higher price.
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Yeah but the 9070XT has FSR4 the new crack on the block being pushed hard by both Nvidia and AMD
I'm sure anyone buying now wants it in their pipe and will pay premium for it
 
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Alexrose1uk said:
Honestly its a shame if the 9070xt doesnt hit the 599 mark, BUT even £649 in people's hands for an AIB aftermarket model doesn't sound that crazy, when you consider the 5070ti is bare minimum £800 in peoples hands, and many of them are selling for £850+

I'd still love to see some hit the magic 599 mark, but if reality in the UK is 649, at least for the initial launch rush...well...I get it.

I mean I'm used to the AIB (especially higher end) tax being around £50-100 on most cards, so if the Taichi OC is £699, it seems fairly likely most other cards except maybe ASUS (as they're a joke), will be less.
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some of the prices have changed hoping they are false 10x the price so steel legend xt £649
 
Would overclocking the non XT variant get anywhere close to the XT? Obviously nobody knows for sure as they aren't out but hypothetically would it be close performance wise?
 
PeegeeTips said:
likewise.

i need a new GPU for the folks, and i will stretch to £600 and then give them my 6800XT.

but if it's £650 for a base XT then they can wait, and get a budget card in four months time.
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£650 isnt a bad price, but given current circumstances i need to have a limit of where ill go to and its currently £600. I have a feeling i am going to be disappointed.
 
Murphy said:
Same, although my thinking is when a 7900 XT with 20GB can be picked up for under £650 the 9070 XT with 16GB would have to see a marked improvement to warrant a higher price.
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in all honesty, if i see a 7900xt for a decent price on the members market i may jump for that and wait out for UDNA.
 
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