No meight, the choo-choo train is alive and well in your mind.....
Yeah... Wouldn't be the first time.....
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Yeah... Wouldn't be the first time.....
That would be the people who set the pricing, which has nothing to do with the people that design the gpu.
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Don't worry everyone! AMD RTG has a plan! Nvidia delayed Blackwell,so they can too! Despite using the same process node as Ada Lovelace and old GDDR6,whereas Nvidia is using GDDR7.
All because they don't want to clear out inventory at a lower price,which is not selling. If they keep selling it for longer,it will defintely sell-out by the end of next year,right?They can push the RX8800XT so close to the RTX5060 and RTX5070 launch,that definitely 99% of gamers will not wait a bit longer.
Also,get hit with the Trump Tariffs too,but with them launching at a 5% price cut,that will definitely spur on more sales over Nvidia.
Then have to massively cut prices mere months later,because they all sell out.
The "we are a premium brand" strategy works 100% no problemo!
Sarcasm\.
AMD is obsessed with clearing out old inventories first and seeing how much Nvidia charges,so the can chance a higher price. The very same inventory that piles up,when they launch late and at a crap price. If they want Nvidia level pricing,they need to match Nvidia levels of investment in software,consistent launch windows,etc. At the very least if they want to charge higher launch prices,launch the products a month or two before Nvidia.
If they want to improve the marketshare of their dGPU division,they need to stop pandering to their short term investors. If they did that,Ryzen wouldn't have succeeded.
All because they don't want to clear out inventory at a lower price,which is not selling. If they keep selling it for longer,it will defintely sell-out by the end of next year,right?They can push the RX8800XT so close to the RTX5060 and RTX5070 launch,that definitely 99% of gamers will not wait a bit longer.
Also,get hit with the Trump Tariffs too,but with them launching at a 5% price cut,that will definitely spur on more sales over Nvidia.
Then have to massively cut prices mere months later,because they all sell out.
The "we are a premium brand" strategy works 100% no problemo!
Sarcasm\.
AMD is obsessed with clearing out old inventories first and seeing how much Nvidia charges,so the can chance a higher price. The very same inventory that piles up,when they launch late and at a crap price. If they want Nvidia level pricing,they need to match Nvidia levels of investment in software,consistent launch windows,etc. At the very least if they want to charge higher launch prices,launch the products a month or two before Nvidia.
If they want to improve the marketshare of their dGPU division,they need to stop pandering to their short term investors. If they did that,Ryzen wouldn't have succeeded.
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There's still brand new inventory of the amd 6 series knocking about for sale. So much for clearing it out.
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I get the impression one of the reasons they keep pushing back the new designs is partly to clear out that old inventory. Nvidia has old inventory too,but they keep to cadences most of the time. Nvidia clears out a lot of that older inventory into prebuilt systems.
It shows you how much AMD has failed in the OEM market. They have significant CPU share in desktops and laptops,but try finding a prebuilt system with an AMD dGPU? Even with custom builders who will offer AMD options,you can get an RTX4070 Super for RX7700XT/RX7800XT money. That only says that Nvidia is quite happy to cut prices for system builders and AMD isn't. The RTX3050 and RTX3060 are not uncommon in cheap systems.
AMD seems to have no OEM strategy for RTG. They need to be getting rid of those dGPUs to OEMs,in packages together with their CPUs.
AMD should have at least launched the RX8000 series by now,ahead of CES. Instead their announcement will be overshadowed by Nvidia unless RDNA4 is revolutionary.
Even though I might get an RX8000 series card,I don't feel confident that they won't mess it up somehow.
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Allllllllll 'bout dat £50 saving with a worse feature-set
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They don't really, they just want to shift whatever allocation would have been to bigger cards to AI for the £££££££££. The 'we're consolidating our position' bs is just that, bs.
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oh you know just my skills
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8800xt will almost certainly be faster in raster (~15-20%) and worlds better in RT.If the 8800XT is better than my old 6950XT with lower power draw and better RT I'm in. Just pricing that could spoil the party
I'm sitting on a 6950xt as well, waiting to see how things pan out. Bought it used last month as a hold-over card after selling my 4090. Thing is, it's almost too good a card (for the <£400 I paid) to be outdone in price/performance, and it gives me all the performance I require: I'll need a real reason to upgrade. A major deciding factor -- moreso than any other gen for me -- is power draw/heat.
Where are people getting the rumors where the 8800XT is going to equal a 4080 as what I'm seeing is that its rumored to match it in RT not performance. This is a wild rumor as a 8800XT would gain 50% in RT over a 7900GRE to match a 4080.
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Yeah, we know. The raster performance could conceivably be between 7900 XT and 4080 performance, as this is roughly around a typical generational improvement. But AMD RT needs a big boost to match a 4070Ti let alone a 4080.
So at this point I can believe the raster performance claims, but not the RT. Even if (big if) both are true then AMD need this to be sub £500 to be viable.
AMD can’t just release their new GPU and leave their partners with unsold stock. It would be a risky move and a very costly one. Paradoxically, it’s because they don’t have the market share to do this without repercussion.
They don’t have the luxury of a take it or leave it approach.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if they were contractually obligated to not release RDNA too close to the PS5 Pro.
It’s easy to speculate without all the facts.
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I can't see that, not when the Pro is supposedly a completely custom chip with a mix of rDNA 3.5 and 4 features (RT functionality lifted from 4 apparently).
Another game made to require a multi-thousand pound Nvidia GPU.
Yeah. Can't see it affecting them at all. You either own both or have picked your camp. I have bought a pro and like it a lot, has make me more interested in what rDNA 4 will bring although given they are changing direction I may wait for udma
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Are there many that own either a console or pc?
I've always owned both.
The pc takes a backseat when I get a new console, then I pick up a GPU after a good while (could very well be an 8800XT on my list) to catch up on things that have been out ages (looking at you Cyberpunk), then a mix of both until the next Slim comes out.
If they price the 8800XT right and it performs anywhere near 'rumours' I'll throw my money at them.
I've always owned both.
The pc takes a backseat when I get a new console, then I pick up a GPU after a good while (could very well be an 8800XT on my list) to catch up on things that have been out ages (looking at you Cyberpunk), then a mix of both until the next Slim comes out.
If they price the 8800XT right and it performs anywhere near 'rumours' I'll throw my money at them.
Boycott the game!
Seriously though, AMD really need to get the finger out. 90% Nvidia cards on the market ffs. AMD should be aiming for at least 30%.
And please don't tell me it is because people like me keep buying Nvidia cards. It is AMD's job to make cards and price them correctly to make me buy them.
I gave up on supporting the so called underdog years ago when they started falling behind yet still wanting to charge silly moneys like Nvidia.
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This is exactly my experience. Had loads of AMD cards over the years but not in the last few.
Charging top dollar for an inferior feature set hasn't gone down well with me, much as I like to support the underdog.