Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[Rroff]

So over 300watt - sometimes almost 400watt for the FE card under a reasonably heavy gaming load according to this guy streaming :S

 

[nashathedog]

Most around here will know me as an AMD supporter due to liking there Price/performance. So far i am seeing not much performance but hopefully the gaming cards are priced well and perform good at there price points. Vega so far is disppointing and i don't know what they have been doing all these years. AMD have never been this far behind so i am hoping they have an ace up there sleeve or we will all be paying stupid amounts for the next few years until something improves. Really don't want to be paying out for mid range performance at high end prices.

It's not blowing anyones sock's off that's for sure, I just hope it's priced fairly. If it isn't I'm not sure what I'll do, I might follow Old Gamer's lead and grab a PS4 Pro

 

[Rroff]

It's not blowing anyones sock's off that's for sure, I just hope it's priced fairly. If it isn't I'm not sure what I'll do, I might follow Old Gamer's lead and grab a PS4 Pro

If this guy's streaming is anything to go by the FE card is a lot of the time performing not much above my 1070 pushed to its max while pulling over 100watt more.

Granted his setup isn't 100% optimal, RAM could be faster but still.

 

[harney]

If this guy's streaming is anything to go by the FE card is a lot of the time performing not much above my 1070 pushed to its max while pulling over 100watt more.

Granted his setup isn't 100% optimal, RAM could be faster but still.

Agree ... all so a ton of memory resident programs running too .....

 

[Rroff]

When he tested ETH he didn't have much running - was about the same MH/s as an overclocked 1070. RX Vega better be a lot quicker for gaming heh.

 

[nashathedog]

This is why actual

If this guy's streaming is anything to go by the FE card is a lot of the time performing not much above my 1070 pushed to its max while pulling over 100watt more.

Granted his setup isn't 100% optimal, RAM could be faster but still.

He was showing the Witcher 5 earlie and I'm praying it was 4k with Hairworks on as it was in the 30's most the time.
At the end of the day we all knew the lack of official performance results was worrying and this is why.
I'll be happy if it can match a 1080 and stay's at a max of around 500 to 550.

We all knew they'd spent the last several years focusing on Ryzen and this time only making one GPU which was more about workloads rather than gaming so I guess we'll need to hope Navi's the saviour Radeon needs.

 

[Rroff]

He ran it after that with hairworks off everything else maxed at 4K was averaging 40fps.

EDIT: Looking at some GTX1080 youtube footage with the same settings + hairworks on as he was running it was getting around 35 fps in the same area as he was getting 30-33fps so not really anything in it - assuming his performance is around close to what the card actually does.

 

[nashathedog]

He ran it after that with hairworks off everything else maxed at 4K was averaging 40fps.

All I can say is I'm glad i didn't go 4k yet
It'll probably do a great job at 1440p and uw1440.

 

[TheRealDeal]

It's not blowing anyones sock's off that's for sure, I just hope it's priced fairly. If it isn't I'm not sure what I'll do, I might follow Old Gamer's lead and grab a PS4 Pro

If it wasn't for my mates being PC gamers i would seriously be think about it. It's not like the visual's are night and day these days.

 

[Rroff]

All I can say is I'm glad i didn't go 4k yet
It'll probably do a great job at 1440p and uw1440.

To be fair we've not seen what RX Vega can do yet or what performance would be like on a highly overclocked Intel CPU, etc.

Can't remember which CPU he said now think it was 1700X but a lot of it was running with the RAM at 2133MHz as apparently with the Vega card in he was getting stability issues at 2666MHz.

 

[D.P.]

I think it is clear now that with current drivers aimed at the FE it is only getting 1080 performance but pulling a lot more power and generating more heat.

The question is, are the FE gaming drivers purposely gimped (extremely unlikely), or are there general major issues with drivers (also seems unlikely, working have exist for at least 6 months), or is that rumour that there is a major design flaw/bug true and AMD will be releasing a fixed version in due course (wouldn't believe it until today's results).


Let's say there was a bug, and the only fix for it involved a nasty driver hack that greatly reduced performance and sometimes would. lead to errors. This would mean the current Vega card could never get certified pro drivers,and they might have stock.pilled.a.small amount of.thse semi-final Vega chips that they want to sell on. As long as AMD can fix the issue quickly a new revision coming out a little later could have significant performance gains.

The problem is with this hypothesis, why did AMD even bother releasing the FE? They will get a month of terrible headlines and Vega will be finished before it is launched.

 

[D.P.]

To be fair we've not seen what RX Vega can do yet or what performance would be like on a highly overclocked Intel CPU, etc.

Can't remember which CPU he said now think it was 1700X but a lot of it was running with the RAM at 2133MHz as apparently with the Vega card in he was getting stability issues at 2666MHz.

Unless RX Vega really is some new revision with critical bug fixes, then I don't see why there would be a difference. They aren't different chips.

None of it makes sense

 

[shankly1985]

Lets just put this out here before this comes back around for round 20 in couple months.

AMDAnnieRTG Marketing 935 points 9 hours ago

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6k0h1f/dude_got_vega_fe_stop_removing_this/

 

[nashathedog]

If it wasn't for my mates being PC gamers i would seriously be think about it. It's not like the visual's are night and day these days.

I ain't got no mates so not a problem.

To be fair we've not seen what RX Vega can do yet or what performance would be like on a highly overclocked Intel CPU, etc.

Can't remember which CPU he said now think it was 1700X but a lot of it was running with the RAM at 2133MHz as apparently with the Vega card in he was getting stability issues at 2666MHz.

I think we can safely predict it will be a bit better b ut not massively.

I think it is clear now that with current drivers aimed at the FE it is only getting 1080 performance but pulling a lot more power and generating more heat.

The question is, are the FE gaming drivers purposely gimped (extremely unlikely), or are there general major issues with drivers (also seems unlikely, working have exist for at least 6 months), or is that rumour that there is a major design flaw/bug true and AMD will be releasing a fixed version in due course (wouldn't believe it until today's results).


Let's say there was a bug, and the only fix for it involved a nasty driver hack that greatly reduced performance and sometimes would. lead to errors. This would mean the current Vega card could never get certified pro drivers,and they might have stock.pilled.a.small amount of.thse semi-final Vega chips that they want to sell on. As long as AMD can fix the issue quickly a new revision coming out a little later could have significant performance gains.

The problem is with this hypothesis, why did AMD even bother releasing the FE? They will get a month of terrible headlines and Vega will be finished before it is launched.

That's a lot of what if's D.P.



Anyway 2am and I'm up early, Bye guy's.

 

[Rroff]

Unless RX Vega really is some new revision with critical bug fixes, then I don't see why there would be a difference. They aren't different chips.

None of it makes sense

Its really odd unless this guy has something seriously wrong - it does OK through to quite good in some productivity benchmarks but nothing especially great to justify any considerations as a workstation/professional/compute card, for many compute tasks largely seems more 1070 than 1080 and gaming benchmarks varying between 1070 and 1080 territory while running hot and pulling a ton of power.

 

[TheRealDeal]

I think it is clear now that with current drivers aimed at the FE it is only getting 1080 performance but pulling a lot more power and generating more heat.

The question is, are the FE gaming drivers purposely gimped (extremely unlikely), or are there general major issues with drivers (also seems unlikely, working have exist for at least 6 months), or is that rumour that there is a major design flaw/bug true and AMD will be releasing a fixed version in due course (wouldn't believe it until today's results).


Let's say there was a bug, and the only fix for it involved a nasty driver hack that greatly reduced performance and sometimes would. lead to errors. This would mean the current Vega card could never get certified pro drivers,and they might have stock.pilled.a.small amount of.thse semi-final Vega chips that they want to sell on. As long as AMD can fix the issue quickly a new revision coming out a little later could have significant performance gains.

The problem is with this hypothesis, why did AMD even bother releasing the FE? They will get a month of terrible headlines and Vega will be finished before it is launched.

For me at 1600mhz i just can't belive this card being so slow. If it is then everyone should be getting the sack. On a node shrink fury x with HBM 2 would most likely be doing a better job. They have had years to improve and going backwards in this amount of time to work with is unforgivable. It's not all doom and gloom as RX Vega is meant to be faster but if the FE is only 1080 speed then i doubt RX Vega will be close to Titan which is where it should be. Back to sleep until Navi . Poor Volta my butt.

 

[D.P.]

I ain't got no mates so not a problem.



I think we can safely predict it will be a bit better b ut not massively.



That's a lot of what if's D.P.



Anyway 2am and I'm up early, Bye guy's.

I know, I'm just trying to make sense of a very confusing launch.

 

[D.P.]

Its really odd unless this guy has something seriously wrong - it does OK through to quite good in some productivity benchmarks but nothing especially great to justify any considerations as a workstation/professional/compute card, for many compute tasks largely seems more 1070 than 1080 and gaming benchmarks varying between 1070 and 1080 territory while running hot and pulling a ton of power.

The other guy who benchmarked 3Dmaek got results that were similar vanilla 1080 level. I think these results must be valid for the current hardware with current drivers. The question is, what can or will change for RX Vega?

I just can't believe that AMD would still be having driver issues considering they publicly showed Vega at CES

 

[D.P.]

For me at 1600mhz i just can't belive this card being so slow. If it is then everyone should be getting the sack. On a node shrink fury x with HBM 2 would most likely be doing a better job. They have had years to improve and going backwards in this amount of time to work with is unforgivable. It's not all doom and gloom as RX Vega is meant to be faster but if the FE is only 1080 speed then i doubt RX Vega will be close to Titan which is where it should be. Back to sleep until Navi . Poor Volta my butt.

Do we know that the card is constantly running at 1600MHz, maybe there is thermal throttling happening lower clocks. Otherwise some bug that is sapping performance, that can hopefully be fixed.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Do we know that the card is constantly running at 1600MHz, maybe there is thermal throttling happening lower clocks. Otherwise some bug that is sapping performance, that can hopefully be fixed.

It's definitely a possibility but until someone runs monitoring software it can't be answered. Again though if it's not it's pretty misleading. All previous cards have been close to max boost and usually pretty constant. The cooler could be crap as previous AMD stock cooling has been but they still usually get close to max. Putting the fans to max for benchmarks is what i would do and as the people are not professionals and not giving out a full on overview i am not sure why they wouldn't have tried this to see if thermals are a problem. Honestly think the performance is not there for whatever reason. Bring on Rx Vega as AMD should explain why it's faster if there's a big gap. Trying to get my mate to hold out but he's put down a Pre-Order on this. Over a grand for 1080 performance , it's a good upgrade on his 290x 8gb as he has 2 but crossfire barely works in the games he plays. With the Freesync 4k monitor it should be a good step but it's far to much money.