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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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It doesn't look too great at this stage, which is a shame because I thought that with the Ryzen release there could have been a chance of a perfect year for AMD and that looks less likely on the GPU front now.

Fundamentally I think it shows the absolutely epic job Nvidia did with the 1080ti. Unlike the Intel/AMD competition Nvidia have carried on putting out the very best they can do and it looks like it will have continued to keep them on top.

I guess only time will tell if AMD can pull it back over the next 6 months with driver improvements or just how good their 7nm chips are going to be. It will be interesting to see if the gap is still there with a full Ryzen system as well. Bottom line colour me Beige.
 
something is baffling, AMD must have known people are gonna do this, why not release these cards to reviewers a week ago and let them
review it and giving any excuse they had regarding immature drivers. I am not sure who is in charge of their marketing but they should be
fired. If this is really the true performance of the card, many of those waiting for VEGA will be disappointed and just buy the 1080ti unless AMD really undercut NVIDIA in price. But this card so far seems to be a 1080 level or less.

Certainly not as impressive as Ryzen.
 
Having watched the stream if this is an indication of the gaming version unless super cheap i can't fathom it. Very late to the game and still playing catch up.

I'm happy with my Fury + FS monitor for now but based upon this when i make my next leap it'll be Nvidia again with Gsync. I have zero brand loyalty, always the best value for me.
 
Vega is going to disappoint a lot of people, it needed to come out and be much better than a 1080ti and at lower price point, what's the point of it only being on par with a year old(ish) 1080?
 
Silence from AMD for another month is a bad idea. If they had any sense and RX is way better, they should do a paper launch next week and let reviewers get their hands on production samples for their own testing. The initial launch can define a product and so far this has been a shocker.
 
pagepack said:
Silence from AMD for another month is a bad idea. If they had any sense and RX is way better, they should do a paper launch next week and let reviewers get their hands on production samples for their own testing. The initial launch can define a product and so far this has been a shocker.
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Ryan estimated a 10-15% increase with newer drivers, but that's it; the current driver already has tiled-based rendering and hbcc. He also spoke with AMD on the phone and they apparently thought the results were OK. So don't get your hopes up.
 
Toss3 said:
Ryan estimated a 10-15% increase with newer drivers, but that's it; the current driver already has tiled-based rendering and hbcc. He also spoke with AMD on the phone and they apparently thought the results were OK. So don't get your hopes up.
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Ok can mean anything and is no indication of where the drivers are relative to the theoretical performance.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
Ok can mean anything and is no indication of where the drivers are relative to the theoretical performance.
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Pretty sure they would have told him if the Rx driver would improve things. I still give them the benefit of the doubt, but it's pretty telling that they didn't even bother sending out review samples.
 
Toss3 said:
Pretty sure they would have told him if the Rx driver would improve things. I still give them the benefit of the doubt, but it's pretty telling that they didn't even bother sending out review samples.
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Why would they tell him? If they were interested in handing out such info they would have sent out review samples of VEGA, and told reviewers to mention that they were early samples.
 
Just read through everything. Thanks for making me wait for nothing AMD. These results are a complete disaster. We have had 1080 performance for a year now so no point in getting this when Volta is right around the corner. Vega doesn’t even come close to the 1080ti and once Volta is out,even its mid range option is going to wipe the floor with this Vega. Maybe with Navi AMD might finally outclass the 1080ti....
 
With the current mining craze AMD can't do their usual trick of being the budget option so launching a sub par product is going to be a challenge.
 
Toss3 said:
Ryan estimated a 10-15% increase with newer drivers, but that's it; the current driver already has tiled-based rendering and hbcc. He also spoke with AMD on the phone and they apparently thought the results were OK. So don't get your hopes up.
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That would be very sad if true. I cannot understand how 3 years, 28 to 14nm, new architecture and hbm 2 = ~20% improvement over their previous best card. Wtf...
 
If NVIDIA really want to kill Vega all they gotta do is cut the prices on their 1080 and the 1080ti and its over. We are nearing Volta release anyway
 
Shaz12 said:
If NVIDIA really want to kill Vega all they gotta do is cut the prices on their 1080 and the 1080ti and its over. We are nearing Volta release anyway
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Yep. If they cannot at the very least bring 1080 performance for under £400, I will be buying a Volta instead.
 
So it's barely outperforming a lightly overclocked Fury X, with similar power draw, and WAY higher clockspeeds?

Yeah, something's not right. Wouldn't have taken them nearly this long if all they were doing was making a 14nm Fiji card on a die shrink.

This is rather confusing to say the least. Performance and Power looks more in line with a supped up Polaris than even a die shrunk Fiji.
 
I gotta say, this is slightly worse than what I expected, and this is coming from someone who was NOT expecting a lot. I've always said that best case would've been landing between 1080 and 1080ti and that surpassing the 1080ti was sort of unreasonable.

Turns out it's barely over a 1080.

I must say though: AMD never played this card up, it was mostly people hyping up themselves.

I've long maintained that this HBCC silliness and Vega in general is mostly about compute and less about gaming: AMD want to sell EPYCs + MI25s. The HBCC is useless in gaming because you can just throw 16GB of VRAM onto the card and call it a day - no more memory issues for another 4 years...

I really hope Zen gives AMD the financial breath required to split their gaming / professional GPUs for the next round. Just do a GDDR6 card with 16GB and no HBCC for Vega 2.0 and focus on more geometry optimisations.

ALTERNATIVELY, one can hope that this stuff is actually just paving the way for Navi and the whole "two or more dies acting as one card" thing. If the HBCC and the geometry (non-)improvements are aimed towards that, then I can understand Vega being a "necessary evil" that they need to go through. A huge testbed if you will.... But it's still a mediocre offering...
 
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