It is very likely as no gaming part has been released that the current drivers do not utilise Vega's new features. The card benchmarked by Ryan may indeed be running in some form of compatibility mode. It is still too early to test performance and an organization such as PCPer should have had some disclaimer up indicating this.
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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **
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AMD should have at least put out a statement if this was the case. This card is killing RX Vega before it even launched.
This is AMDs GPU marketing department you guys are talking about. They make as much sense as vomit in a tumble dryer.
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Trusty 290x, it just keeps going
Probably the best gpu I ever had.
Still want rid though
That and my 9700 pro. I went freesync, so a reasonably priced major upgrade would be nice.
Imho looking at what has come out with FE, AMD had just focused more on the industrial side of market with Vega which does make financial sense.
We have seen a ********* of people crying over the FE which is just ludicrous. I personally never thought AMD would try and top Pascal in the consumer market as the way the markets are it's pretty pointless.
All three of the big hitters seem to be shifting focus away from consumer market with what we have seen this year.
At the end of the day gaming on the PC is not top priority anymore.
We have seen a ********* of people crying over the FE which is just ludicrous. I personally never thought AMD would try and top Pascal in the consumer market as the way the markets are it's pretty pointless.
All three of the big hitters seem to be shifting focus away from consumer market with what we have seen this year.
At the end of the day gaming on the PC is not top priority anymore.
I really wouldn't hold your breath, sadly.
If the current Vega Driver doesnt utilise the new features thats AMD's issue not PCPers.
They bought the card themselves checked with AMD that the driver is the one to use and even asked them if the results they were getting were about right.
Thats above and beyond what some reviewers do and they didnt need to have any disclaimer IMO
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Yup, just turn settings down to Medium and modern games still look great imo. That 290X will last you another year or so easy then. What a stellar card they are
I've been tempted by 4K lately but now glad I've stuck with 1440p UW, the card I have (Ti) will last much longer
The more I look at this situation the I think the flawed/bugged die explanation to be true, now hear me out.
What do you do if you have a ******** of flawed 500mm2 dies, that aren't good enough for gaming but hold themselves when it comes to productivity ? You can't sell a 500mm2 die as a mid range Gaming GPU for 400$, it's unsustainable in the long run, especially as the manufacturing process get better, but you don't want/can't to lose that ******** of bugged GPUs, so you stick them in a GPU to go up against the P5000 2000$ workstation GPU and call it a pro card (even though if you call a cat a dog it still doesn't make it a dog) so the less well versed people who want P5000 performance but aren't bothered about certification, ECC memory and FP64 have a solution, it's got better performance than the WX7100 so it's priced a little higher again for those who don't need the previous options, and they won't nibble into their own WX line either (I imagine the WX9100 will be at least double the price of the FE). And all this while having 16gb of HBM2 which in itself for a guy who needs to do productivity work and doesn't need the frills is a good selling point. I mean if I was in that situation and needed 16gb of VRAM this GPU would be the best solution at it's price point.
So they can now sell flawed dies at 1000$ with a pro sticker and a blue color, sustain production, use flawed RX GPUs in the FE throughout it's entire lifetime even when the die process gets better they can still do it coz they won't be selling loads and loads of FE GPUs because they are only "semi pro" even though it's no more semi pro than a 1080...
That is the only logical explanation I can find for releasing a GPU that would be a step back from their previous generations, coz it isn't really it's just flawed GPUs. If they release a 500mm2 RX GPU with 1080 performance they are ****** and they sure damn know it would be worse than releasing nothing at all and waiting to make further improvements.
Their stock is going down which was to be expected and it's their own fault for a lack of communication.
And if all this is not the case, everyone at AMD in the GPU department needs to be fired straight away
What do you do if you have a ******** of flawed 500mm2 dies, that aren't good enough for gaming but hold themselves when it comes to productivity ? You can't sell a 500mm2 die as a mid range Gaming GPU for 400$, it's unsustainable in the long run, especially as the manufacturing process get better, but you don't want/can't to lose that ******** of bugged GPUs, so you stick them in a GPU to go up against the P5000 2000$ workstation GPU and call it a pro card (even though if you call a cat a dog it still doesn't make it a dog) so the less well versed people who want P5000 performance but aren't bothered about certification, ECC memory and FP64 have a solution, it's got better performance than the WX7100 so it's priced a little higher again for those who don't need the previous options, and they won't nibble into their own WX line either (I imagine the WX9100 will be at least double the price of the FE). And all this while having 16gb of HBM2 which in itself for a guy who needs to do productivity work and doesn't need the frills is a good selling point. I mean if I was in that situation and needed 16gb of VRAM this GPU would be the best solution at it's price point.
So they can now sell flawed dies at 1000$ with a pro sticker and a blue color, sustain production, use flawed RX GPUs in the FE throughout it's entire lifetime even when the die process gets better they can still do it coz they won't be selling loads and loads of FE GPUs because they are only "semi pro" even though it's no more semi pro than a 1080...
That is the only logical explanation I can find for releasing a GPU that would be a step back from their previous generations, coz it isn't really it's just flawed GPUs. If they release a 500mm2 RX GPU with 1080 performance they are ****** and they sure damn know it would be worse than releasing nothing at all and waiting to make further improvements.
Their stock is going down which was to be expected and it's their own fault for a lack of communication.
And if all this is not the case, everyone at AMD in the GPU department needs to be fired straight away
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I agree, something is amiss. With a little luck RX is a re-spun die and it will improve performance 15-20%
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This is the worst bit for me, they seemed to have learned *zero* lessons from their ****-ups in the past!!!
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Sometimes 1070 too. Bit all over the place.
This is actually the case.
Tiled rasterization not active, primitive shaders need driver update, etc.
1070-1080 but that's last years yardstick now. No good releasing a card that only matches 'aging' (and I say that with some sarcasm) technology. Unless the price is very low but good luck getting one if it is.
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I think the 3rd party/AiO cards are going to be able to sustain 1600Mhz, and with other improvements I can see RX being roughly 20% faster than these scores overall. Hot lil' ******* though 
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