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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Come on AMD get these out,the GPU space this year has been a total bore,when combined with mining craze,DDR4 and NAND price increases,has meant if it wasn't for Ryzen, 2017 would have been one of the most meh years for PC hardware for yonks!!
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We do have the Threadripper still to come out :p

TNA said:
Yes, but at what cost? 400+ watts :eek:
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Seems short memory is common these days......

GTX780ti and Titan Black were/are still burning 370W+ when overclocked.
GTX780 at stock speeds is burning 280W at full load.

So does this means, everyone using Nvidia GPU earlier than the Maxwell one (which dropped the power need by 35%) should scrap them? Wasn't though you few months ago, who said to someone that the GTX780Ti is still relevant and good card even today? :)
Which ofc compared to RX Vega, all the pre-Maxwel NV cards, are just wasteful power consuming heaters. I love the irony these days :)
 
GK110 is a 561mm core on 28nm though and in its time was at or competing with the top performance slot you kind of expect it to be towards the upper end of power draw. Its a whole different story when a card pulls a ton of power for its time if it isn't getting an appropriate level of performance - hence why the FX series was a dose of fail.
 
Panos said:
Seems short memory is common these days......

GTX780ti and Titan Black were/are still burning 370W+ when overclocked.
GTX780 at stock speeds is burning 280W at full load.

So does this means, everyone using Nvidia GPU earlier than the Maxwell one (which dropped the power need by 35%) should scrap them? Wasn't though you few months ago, who said to someone that the GTX780Ti is still relevant and good card even today? :)
Which ofc compared to RX Vega, all the pre-Maxwel NV cards, are just wasteful power consuming heaters. I love the irony these days :)
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I think you're missing the point.............
 
Panos said:
We do have the Threadripper still to come out :p



Seems short memory is common these days......

GTX780ti and Titan Black were/are still burning 370W+ when overclocked.
GTX780 at stock speeds is burning 280W at full load.

So does this means, everyone using Nvidia GPU earlier than the Maxwell one (which dropped the power need by 35%) should scrap them? Wasn't though you few months ago, who said to someone that the GTX780Ti is still relevant and good card even today? :)
Which ofc compared to RX Vega, all the pre-Maxwel NV cards, are just wasteful power consuming heaters. I love the irony these days :)
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Nope, don't think that was me.

I actually don't mind if it is 400 watts, but the XTX water cooled one which will deal with that heat will need to be cheaper as a result. Price for performance is the most important thing for me. If this XTX card is in between a 1080 and 1080Ti performance they need to bring it in at around $499 in order to live up to what Raja has been saying like 4K PC for under 1000$ and being disruptive.

If they release it at that price, people won't care how much power it uses as water cooling will deal with the noise and heat and the money saved up front will more than pay for the electricity inefficiency up front.

People need to remember, Nvidia have had this performance available for ages and been charging whatever they want for it because they can. There are surely lots of room in the margins to release a card cheaper than people think. In ~6 months time 1080Ti performance will be mid level again like a 1070 so AMD need to come in swinging to get market share, because if they don't do it now, they sure as hell going to struggle to do it then.

I don't even really need a graphics card until Volta arrives, but will buy an XTX just to play about with some new tech if they don't get greedy.
 
Is there any sequence of events one can anticipate before actual launch (i mean like an actual bloody box that you can buy off the shelf)
..like a preview/review etc.. and the estimated lag between such events and actual launch?
 
TNA said:
Nope, don't think that was me.

I actually don't mind if it is 400 watts, but the XTX water cooled one which will deal with that heat will need to be cheaper as a result. Price for performance is the most important thing for me. If this XTX card is in between a 1080 and 1080Ti performance they need to bring it in at around $499 in order to live up to what Raja has been saying like 4K PC for under 1000$ and being disruptive.

If they release it at that price, people won't care how much power it uses as water cooling will deal with the noise and heat and the money saved up front will more than pay for the electricity inefficiency up front.

People need to remember, Nvidia have had this performance available for ages and been charging whatever they want for it because they can. There are surely lots of room in the margins to release a card cheaper than people think. In ~6 months time 1080Ti performance will be mid level again like a 1070 so AMD need to come in swinging to get market share, because if they don't do it now, they sure as hell going to struggle to do it then.

I don't even really need a graphics card until Volta arrives, but will buy an XTX just to play about with some new tech if they don't get greedy.
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Hehe i have basically stopped playing bcoz .. playing games on anything less than a vega would be a complete waste
not that i actually need a graphics card. have a titan (maxwell) on my gaming rig where i play games released during 2003-05 and thanks to my work life balance i think i will be always able to maintain a 10yr inventory of unplayed games :D

could have upgraded to the 1080 but didnt bcoz for me the 1080 is actually a 1070

if amd had something competitive i believe nvidia would have launched the 1080ti in place of the 1080 while ti could have been a much larger chip.

Hell i was also thinking of buying the FE .. if it wasnt such a confusing product.

Ans yes this is also the first time i will be going multi-gpu,.. so a bit concerned about stability given the high power draw but if amd are not greedy i can possibly buy 3 instead of 2 vegas
 
Nablaoperator said:
could have upgraded to the 1080 but didnt bcoz for me the 1080 is actually a 1070

if amd had something competitive i believe nvidia would have launched the 1080ti in place of the 1080 while ti could have been a much larger chip.
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I think the ti is the largest possible chip. If AMD was competitive, ti would have launched at the same time as the 1080 and 1070
 
Panos said:
We do have the Threadripper still to come out :p



Seems short memory is common these days......

GTX780ti and Titan Black were/are still burning 370W+ when overclocked.
GTX780 at stock speeds is burning 280W at full load.

So does this means, everyone using Nvidia GPU earlier than the Maxwell one (which dropped the power need by 35%) should scrap them? Wasn't though you few months ago, who said to someone that the GTX780Ti is still relevant and good card even today? :)
Which ofc compared to RX Vega, all the pre-Maxwel NV cards, are just wasteful power consuming heaters. I love the irony these days :)
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Well 7 series was 2 generations ago!

3 x 1080's would equal one vega in power consumption. That's progress.
 
TNA said:
Nope, don't think that was me.

I actually don't mind if it is 400 watts, but the XTX water cooled one which will deal with that heat will need to be cheaper as a result. Price for performance is the most important thing for me. If this XTX card is in between a 1080 and 1080Ti performance they need to bring it in at around $499 in order to live up to what Raja has been saying like 4K PC for under 1000$ and being disruptive.

If they release it at that price, people won't care how much power it uses as water cooling will deal with the noise and heat and the money saved up front will more than pay for the electricity inefficiency up front.

People need to remember, Nvidia have had this performance available for ages and been charging whatever they want for it because they can. There are surely lots of room in the margins to release a card cheaper than people think. In ~6 months time 1080Ti performance will be mid level again like a 1070 so AMD need to come in swinging to get market share, because if they don't do it now, they sure as hell going to struggle to do it then.

I don't even really need a graphics card until Volta arrives, but will buy an XTX just to play about with some new tech if they don't get greedy.
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While I believe the AIO will be good, the FuryX and 295X2 from my own experience is very good, I will custom WC mine and I don't care about power consumption :)

Also for the pricing I agree.
Vividly remembering the tast time we (forum wide) had the argument Nvidia (higher price, less power consumption at stock speeds, - GTX780Ti) vs AMD (lower price, more power consumption - 290X), we ended up running calculations about electricity prices.
And the GTX780Ti had to run 8h per day 365d per year, for 25 (80 for the Titan Black) years to gain in electricity bills the extra price of the 780Ti, over the higher power consumption of the 290X.
However this energy value gains were wiped out if both cards were overclocked, because the 780Ti was 10W less hungry than the 290X then.

Fast forward 4 years, and we see that the 780Ti is at the bottom of the charts, bellow the RX470 for heaven sake, and anyone who was arguing about the energy consumption should have kept it, because he hasn't paid off the higher price of it..... If not, is a hypocrite :D
 
Nablaoperator said:
Is there any sequence of events one can anticipate before actual launch (i mean like an actual bloody box that you can buy off the shelf)
..like a preview/review etc.. and the estimated lag between such events and actual launch?
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Next Tuesday AMD are showing off RX Vega in Hungary, the week after in the US Somewhere and the week after that launching at Siggrapth.
 
Nablaoperator said:
Is there any sequence of events one can anticipate before actual launch (i mean like an actual bloody box that you can buy off the shelf)
..like a preview/review etc.. and the estimated lag between such events and actual launch?
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July 18 Hungary
July 21 to 23 PDXLAN in Portland, USA
July 29 SIGGRAPH 2017
 
Do you expect it to be an actual launch?
How do these things generally work?

Third party previews + 1week preorders/shipping start +1week Flash cards at SIGGRAPH +1 day cards are released
if preorders dont start next week can we still be optimistic about a hard launch at SIGGRAPH?

Whats the general confidence level in the community regarding a hard launch at SIGGRAPH.. any insider info? :D
 
Panos said:
Ehm I do not know where you pull this numbers off, but stock GTX1080 burns 273W on it's own, and overclocked 342W.
How is that 3 times less power consumption than Vega?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-pascal,4572-10.html

GTX1080Ti the values are higher also
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lol no.

For reference, that power draw of 300 watts is 50 watts higher than the GeForce GTX 1080 Ti and the Titan Xp but 120 watts higher than the GeForce GTX 1080.
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https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graph...B-Air-Cooled-Review/Clock-Speeds-and-Power-Co
 
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