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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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opethdisciple said:
There seems to be a lot of innovation on the consoles that isn't being translated on the pc.

Are Nvidia holding us back?

Sure they are accelerating DX11 faster and faster. But they don't have great support for the next gen API's considering they are the biggest player.

Lowest common denominator would point to Nvidia being the bottle neck.

But if you can't beat them join em.
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Complete BS.

Was innovation is there in consoles?

What can Nvidia do to be holding stuff back?

Why is Nvidia the biggest common denominator?



Nvidia do have great support for next generation APIs/. They beat AMD in releasing certified Vulkan drivers and were much faster than AMD in putitng out Vulkan releated development materials.
https://developer.nvidia.com/Vulkan
 
shankly1985 said:
They is some really big difference in how these both are added into games though. TrueAudio has to be coded par game more time and cost just wasn't worth it.
Physx the work is there and done for devs to use with Nvidia Gameworks files ready to be used.

I would really love a hardware Physx that both amd and nvidia can use.
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AMD can license PhysX from Nvidia if they want, it does mean AMD would have to support CUDA (which they can do freely without license), but AMD prefer not to support CUDA which at this stage mostly seems to be to their detriment. Although i totally understand wy AMD woudln;t want to support CUDA, exact same reason NVidia woudln't touch Mantle with a barge pole.
 
opethdisciple said:
You hit the nail on the head. But Nvidia are the biggest player on the pc.

So logically you have to think it's Nvidia's doing why these features haven't made it pc side.
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In total number of PC users AMd are well ahead of NVidia. Nvidia outsells AMD in terms of discrete GPUs but AMD have much more of the total market including APUs.
 
D.P. said:
Complete BS.

Was innovation is there in consoles?

What can Nvidia do to be holding stuff back?

Why is Nvidia the biggest common denominator?



Nvidia do have great support for next generation APIs/. They beat AMD in releasing certified Vulkan drivers and were much faster than AMD in putitng out Vulkan releated development materials.
https://developer.nvidia.com/Vulkan
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It's very much in Nvidia's interest to keep DX11 going for as long as possible as it suits there hardware and most of the time it gives them a big advantage in performance over an equivalent GNC based card. AMD has very capable hardware that works wonders on the console, innovations such as A-synchronous shaders were requested by Sony to improve shader utilisation (which developers are still getting to grips with on the consoles) and it's is a technology that PC games are benefiting from.

It's wait and see how much of an improvement FP16/rapid pack math and DSBR brings actually brings but combined with more efficient CPU scaling under DX12 (vs the hybrid method of using a software and hardware scheduler developed by Nvidia which does actually increase CPU overhead), A-sync, HBCC, a better hardware scheduler (hopefully) and everything else we could finally get see what GCN is capable off on the PC and not just the consoles.
 
Post on reddit showing preorder prices on an american store. $650 for air cooled (same price for the black or aluminium shroud) or $759 for liquid cooled.
 
D.P. said:
AMD can license PhysX from Nvidia if they want, it does mean AMD would have to support CUDA (which they can do freely without license), but AMD prefer not to support CUDA which at this stage mostly seems to be to their detriment. Although i totally understand wy AMD woudln;t want to support CUDA, exact same reason NVidia woudln't touch Mantle with a barge pole.
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Even if AMD did license PhysX from NVidia it would be a waste of money as there are so few games that use it these days.

I won't even bother installing the PhysX drivers these days even when I have 4 cards installed as the software never gets used on the games I play.
 
Gerard said:
Post on reddit showing preorder prices on an american store. $650 for air cooled (same price for the black or aluminium shroud) or $759 for liquid cooled.
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So they are adding $151 to the RRP for the air cooled - great
 
ljt said:
So they are adding $151 to the RRP for the air cooled - great
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Would not get all worked up until Monday when they go live, retailers will be setting up there websites this week ready for next week, so any price you see before Monday cannot be taken as 100% legit.

AMD have already said its $399 Vega 54 & $499 Vega 64, if retailers in the USA ask for more, then people in the US should not buy off them, it is somewhat pointless to try and covert the US price to UK, as we don't know at which rate OcUK has picked up its dollars. However its not going to be much different to a 1:1, so are those prices 1:1, answer no! So, i would take them to be a place holder.

If on Monday the UK price is shown live on OcUK as being much higher than what AMD have said is the RRP, then go crazy get the pitch forks out, but until then slow ya roll
 
EL_JOCK said:
Would not get all worked up until Monday when they go live, retailers will be setting up there websites this week ready for next week, so any price you see before Monday cannot be taken as 100% legit.

AMD have already said its $399 Vega 54 & $499 Vega 64, if retailers in the USA ask for more, then people in the US should not buy off them, it is somewhat pointless to try and covert the US price to UK, as we don't know at which rate OcUK has picked up its dollars. However its not going to be much different to a 1:1, so are those prices 1:1, answer no! So, i would take them to be a place holder.

If on Monday the UK price is shown live on OcUK as being much higher than what AMD have said is the RRP, then go crazy get the pitch forks out, but until then slow ya roll
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The AMD SEP prices are suggested e-tail prices. There is a subtle difference between suggested and recommended.......unfortunately.
 
If AMD are able to make a profit at $399 then they definitely have wiggle room. What the retailer charges and price gouging.... urgh.
 
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