Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[andybird123]

Because it makes no sense to you, you think other people don't do it? Your experience doesn't define everybody else's. Everybody I know that is interested in gaming has both a console and a PC. And a lot of people have consoles in their living room for social gaming. They can play when friends come over. PC gaming is much more solitary.

As i almost always play team games on team speak with irl friends i find your last comment pretty funny.

I said anecdotal evidence was just that, as was mine, there's really no need to pick apart soneones post when they've already pointed out that its anecdotal at best. As is yours.

 

[melmac]

the pricing should have been

RX 56 - £400
RX 64 air - £500
RX 64 Liquid £550

looks nice is good but performance is not there for £699 or even £600.

Neither AMD nor Nvidia have much control over the prices in the UK. They set their price in dollars. By the time the cards get to the UK, there is shipping, VAT and gouging added. And if they know the cards are going to be popular or limited in anyway, the price gouging is worse.

If it's true and these cards are great for mining, retailers will know this and price accordingly.

 

[andybird123]

It doesn't matter. The anecdotal evidence that you don't know any console + pc owners is equally irrelevant.

Um, i actually pointed out that it was anecdotal to someone who anecdotally pointed out that "everyone" he knew had both. That was the whole point.

Unless someone has actual data to refer to its a pointless argument.

 

[melmac]

As i almost always play team games on team speak with irl friends i find your last comment pretty funny.

Solitary, as in, you go into your room, away from the real people in your life to play the computer, as most people do. Whereas with the consoles, people regularly play with other people in the room, it's just a more a social system. I am not talking about online multiplayer games.

Unless someone has actual data to refer to its a pointless argument.

Then why start the argument?

And so far it looks like 6 people have both and 1 person doesn't.

 

[Gerard]

Neither AMD nor Nvidia have much control over the prices in the UK. They set their price in dollars. By the time the cards get to the UK, there is shipping, VAT and gouging added. And if they know the cards are going to be popular or limited in anyway, the price gouging is worse.

If it's true and these cards are great for mining, retailers will know this and price accordingly.

Yup, we're basically at the point where its upto the retailer how much they want to tack on, gaming performance vs other cards seemingly doesn't matter much anymore.

 

[docsonic]

Vega 56 product pages starting to appear..

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-RXVEGA56-8GD-B#kf

 

[LeMson]

Vega is on sale in China now, performance inbound!

 

[nashathedog]

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. I know a whole bunch of people who have one or the other and not both. I cant think of anyone I know who has both a gaming PC and a console.

It just makes no sense to me to spend all that money on a decent gaming PC where i prefer to play games anyway and then spend extra money on another gaming device. I dont play games on TV, or with people in the same room, and cant stand blocky/low frame rate/input lag.

I would have said it depends on whether there are console exclusives you want to play, My last console was a PS2, I keep meaning to get a PS4 but now I can play some of the console exclusives I wanted like The Last of Us and Red Dead Redemption on my PC via Playstation Now so I'm not so bothered about getting another console.

 

[nashathedog]

Vega 56 product pages starting to appear..

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-RXVEGA56-8GD-B#kf

It's the aftermarket models that we want to see, Sapphire are the same with just reference models on show, Asus are the only ones who've shown us an aftermarket card and that was a Strix they claim will be available on Monday.

 

[Minusorange]

Vega 56 product pages starting to appear..

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-RXVEGA56-8GD-B#kf

650W recommended PSU, how high is the TDP for these things ??

 

[Pleiades]

Um, i actually pointed out that it was anecdotal to someone who anecdotally pointed out that "everyone" he knew had both. That was the whole point.

Unless someone has actual data to refer to its a pointless argument.

I also know no-one that has both consoles and PC. Your point was pretty explicit. Not sure what issue anyone would have with it...

 

[TNA]

Reminds me of my old 295x2.

Same here man, same here... But this looks better

Oooh shiny!

Owwwwww yeaaaa!

Neither AMD nor Nvidia have much control over the prices in the UK. They set their price in dollars. By the time the cards get to the UK, there is shipping, VAT and gouging added. And if they know the cards are going to be popular or limited in anyway, the price gouging is worse.

If it's true and these cards are great for mining, retailers will know this and price accordingly.

Would appreciate if someone could enlighten me.

These cards presumably are made in Taiwan/China, are they all shipped to USA then after to the UK? If they are shipped directly from where they are produced, why is there an extra so called "shipping" charge for the UK as that price should be included in the MSRP?

 

[flea.rider]

your right it's a bs charge ...
straight from Taiwan to here ... shorter route but costs more

 

[r7slayer]

Cam you provide links to this please? nothign I have seen form AMD suggest NAVI will be like Ryzen with a NUMA architecture. In fact AMD's own research tends to indicate it physcially isn't possible at 7nm.

Raja talks about future changed towards multi core cpus and talks about GPUs will move towards something similar like this. If you look at Navi in the roadmap it shows scalability and next gen memory. Raja also talks about how you can use more smaller GPU dies instead of just using one monolithic die similar to what nvidia have done with V100.

I don't see why they cannot do this with navi and navi is what Raja has worked on from the beginning rather than vega where it was already at some stage being brought into life. (probably the fury X lol)

 

[melmac]

These cards presumably are made in Taiwan/China, are they all shipped to USA then after to the UK? If they are shipped directly from where they are produced, why is there an extra so called "shipping" charge for the UK as that price should be included in the MSRP?

I am guessing it's due to the amount of cards shipped, not where it's shipped from/to.

 

[TNA]

Raja talks about future changed towards multi core cpus and talks about GPUs will move towards something similar like this. If you look at Navi in the roadmap it shows scalability and next gen memory. Raja also talks about how you can use more smaller GPU dies instead of just using one monolithic die similar to what nvidia have done with V100.

I don't see why they cannot do this with navi and navi is what Raja has worked on from the beginning rather than vega where it was already at some stage being brought into life. (probably the fury X lol)

Watch from 6:51 to 7:25 cracked me up. Yes Raja, we was surprised, it was 1060 performance at 1080 power consumption. Too funny

They are lucky for miners gobbling them all up

I am guessing it's due to the amount of cards shipped, not where it's shipped from/to.

Not sure that would make such a big difference to be honest. Also I wonder how they ship these things, by air, by boat?

Before someone says that there is different, I know, but I sometimes I buy things that come from China in a week or two that would cost more here just for shipping only, let alone the product

 

[melmac]

your right it's a bs charge ...
straight from Taiwan to here ... shorter route but costs more

By plane yes, but, by ship it's much longer.

 

[D.P.]

Raja talks about future changed towards multi core cpus and talks about GPUs will move towards something similar like this. If you look at Navi in the roadmap it shows scalability and next gen memory. Raja also talks about how you can use more smaller GPU dies instead of just using one monolithic die similar to what nvidia have done with V100.

I don't see why they cannot do this with navi and navi is what Raja has worked on from the beginning rather than vega where it was already at some stage being brought into life. (probably the fury X lol)

This si the exact same video I debunked earlier. Raji is talking about crossfire and using the explicit multi-GPU capabilities of DX12, using monolithic GPUS on separate cards.
This video is from March 2016, Raja is saying that he already sent out cards to multi-gpu developers and universities, taking about the dual Fury cards AMD produced.

Raja does say using more smaller dies, that means using 2 RX480c in crossfire for example, something that AMD used a marketing material against the 1080.
Absolutely nothing in that video has anything to do with a NUMA type architecture, and nothing AMD has publicly stated suggest AMD has a forthcoming product based on that. What is in the public domian is AMD's research efforts in that direction. But those papers are very future looking. The research out there shows that the latency, cache and bandwidth requirements would most likely not be feasible on 7nm, some of that is AMD's very own research.


Scalabiltiy is a very vague word. We see quite clearly that Vega has not scaled well, so perhaps navi is looking to improve scaling in the lines that Pascal has managed. And getting crossfie working betetr with irmpvoed developer support is a form of calability.


When AMD talks about mving beyond crossfire, they are talkign about getitng developers to use the DX 12 multi-GPU capabiltiies better. this requires the eplicit and complexcoding by the eveloper to work, while AMD's drivers do relatively little. The problem with crossfire today is that many game engines have inter-frame dependnet data that doesn't work for AFR. For example lighting and shadows for some distant tree covered mountin doesn't need to by dynamcially updated every frame. things like this kill AFR and there is ntohign the driver can do about it. Instead developers will ahve to b put ina lot of work in fidning way to divide up the renderign workload between 2 or more GPUs

 

[melmac]

Not sure that would make such a big difference to be honest. Also I wonder how they ship these things, by air, by boat?

Before someone says that is different, I know, but I someone times I buy things that come from China in a week or two that would cost more here just for shipping only, let alone the product

They are transported by ship. And I think it would make a huge difference. It's almost twice the distance by sea, unless you go through the Suez canal, but, that's supposed to be very, very expensive. And I would think it makes a difference. The cost of shipping has to be absorbed by less cards. Even if there is no extra cost because you are shipping less cards, the cost of shipping will be more expensive because of the extra distance involved.

 

[DrBombcrater]

650W recommended PSU, how high is the TDP for these things ??

It's 210W I believe. Don't worry about the 650W recommendation, those are always nonsense. They have to way over state needed PSU so that the card will work on those awful Chinese PSUs you can get for 20 quid that are made of tinfoil and glue, the ones that can't put out half their rated power without exploding.

A good quality 450W would probably run a Vega 56 just fine, provided you aren't overclocking. I've run a Radeon Pro Duo (375W TDP) from a quality 650W PSU with no bother at all.