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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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D.P. said:
Not many people can afford $500-700 to go with a $400 CPU, $200 mobo, $300Ram, $700 screen.

A decent gaming PC that would give a noticeably better experience than a console, is just not affordable in comparison in to consoles if you are earning lower than average. The UK median salary is 22K, that means half the country is earning less than that. Subtract rent/mortgae, living costs, taxes and spending all that money on a gaming rig is just not that attractive when a console will provide similar entertainment value.


I'm not talking about childish "PC master race" rubbish, I'm just pointing out the economic reality for a large proportion of the country.
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Exactly this. It's why a lot primary game on a console and don't bother with a pc. You're no way around it, to build a pc that is equally as good as a console your going to be spending more than what a console costs. And to the most point you want to aim for that 60FPS experience especially when you taste it in some games. It's why i left console gaming as my primary platform i just couldn't cope with the low frame rates. But the problem is with PC gaming it leaves you with a sour taste when you get a decent game but its not well optimised and you want more performance. Happened to me in MMO and odd games such as ark survival when it came out. My 290x just couldn't cope at 1080p and keeping near 60FPS. So felt i needed to upgrade. And that's where it starts and your then buying high end gfx cards and find that they just seem to get more expensive and games get more and more demanding. Makes a guy like my self want to go back to console gaming.
But i find keeping games at high settings looks exactly the same to me as ultra in most the games its only very rare you get that one game where you may notice the difference. Where you can lower settings get much better FPS and keep same visual IQ. Console gaming that's all taken care of but you have to cope with 30FPS.
 
D.P. said:
They would typically sell at RRP and not drop lower when other online stores do. On the flipside they are unlikely to raise prices due to stock
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TBF Maplins sell stuff a lot more dearer than a lot of other places you can find stuff. You want a HDMI cable from Maplins be prepared to be spending roughly 10 quid for one. Look online like amazon and probably can get one for 3-4 quid. Same for anything else like ethernet cables etc. That shop is for the people that don't have a clue in what they are buying. Gold plated sleeved SPDIF cables for example. Gold plated fiber optic cable? Yea because gold plating a SPDIF cable will make a difference lol. Or sleeving it.
 
ubersonic said:
It will never happen, S3, Matrox and SiS tried back in the early 00's, then Volari tried later in the decade. Nobody bought their cards because they weren't better for the money than Nvidia/ATi and nobody is going to burn their money on an inferior card just to help promote competition. It's the same with non Intel/AMD CPUs, this is the grave the PC community have dug for ourselves.
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How about if the US Gov found Nvidia basically was to big and split it up, they did this with the Bell telephone company
 
ICDP said:
Fry's are generally always overpriced, think Maplins equivalent here in the UK.
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Maybe so but everywhere that people have found a listing for these cards the price has been well over what was expected. Either they're all very good at putting in more expensive placeholder prices or they got the nod to charge more for them =/
 
AMDPower said:
To be honest I am also getting to this point. 10+ years ago PC games had much better graphics than consoles and that was primarily what attracted me to PC gaming and also the
wider selection of FPS games. Fast forward to 2017 not only does Consoles games look excellent and not far from PC games in terms of quality the selection of games is much
better on consoles and more varied. If this trend continues, PC gaming will be dead within 10 years.
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Console games are still pretty far from PC games in terms of quality of graphics and also in terms of quality of inputs. Better selection of games, maybe. They're far behind PC in terms of modding games. So far behind that it's not even vaguely close to being within shouting distance of being comparable.

I'm currently playing Fallout 4 with 118 mods installed using about 12GB. That's impossible with a console despite the fact that Fallout 4 is one of the 2 games that can be modded on consoles. Also, Nexus Mods is so vastly better than Bethesda for modding that it's like a pub kickabout team playing in the World Cup. Besides, Bethesda is dedicated to paid mods so they can profit from other people's work. Sooner or later, they'll succeed in that. With a better graphics card I'd be installing graphics mods as well and the game would look far better than it could on a console. As it is, even with an archaic graphics card I get a better framerate than a console for the same graphics.

Prior to Fallout 4, I had no idea how extensive modding games is on PCs and how much difference it can make. But it is and it does. Also, no mouse and keyboard. I have an Xbox controller for my PC. It's far less comfortable, far less precise and far less versatile. It's better only for racing games because it makes analogue steering possible and anyone who cares much about racing games would probably be using a wheel for steering anyway.

Modern consoles are adequate in terms of graphics, though, and the hardware is certainly a lot cheaper. If it wasn't for the lack of mouse and keyboard and almost total lack of modding, I'd be inclined to get one instead of a new gaming PC when my next upgrade cycle came round. Maybe at some point in the future, but not right now.
 
r7slayer said:
TBF Maplins sell stuff a lot more dearer than a lot of other places you can find stuff. You want a HDMI cable from Maplins be prepared to be spending roughly 10 quid for one. Look online like amazon and probably can get one for 3-4 quid. Same for anything else like ethernet cables etc. That shop is for the people that don't have a clue in what they are buying. Gold plated sleeved SPDIF cables for example. Gold plated fiber optic cable? Yea because gold plating a SPDIF cable will make a difference lol. Or sleeving it.
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These shops are fo high street buyers that just don;t have a clue, but they are uliekly to price above RRP due to low stock.


For electronics I have on occasion purchased from BestBuy, which is considered the Amazon show room. Lots of electronics all sold at RRP when online prices have dropped 30%. However, when once prices have gone high due to low supply BestBuy will carry on selling at the same old price.
 
Don't mod my games 'coz I'm a purist :p

Also have been using the 360 controller instead of a mouse for an eternity. Don't play competitive FPS, so controller is more comfortable.

Started gaming on a console (Atari 2600 :p)... have been a PC gamer for over two decades now, but more than happy to go back.

Won't even need to tie up the TV... can just plug into my PC monitor :p
 
Roughneck said:
How about if the US Gov found Nvidia basically was to big and split it up, they did this with the Bell telephone company
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Nvidia isn't big, they are very small. And Nvidia aren't a monopoly, even if AMD folded/ Nvidia compete with Qualcom, Intel, ImTech etc.

It would be better for consumers if the US government forced Intel to license X86 ISA to Nvidia at a reasonable cost. Imagine if Nvidia were also developing desktop CPUs to compete with Intel and AMD.
 
r7slayer said:
I don't see why not seen as they are going to be much like ryzen CPUs using infinity fabric so they can use dies with AI specific hardware.
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Cam you provide links to this please? nothign I have seen form AMD suggest NAVI will be like Ryzen with a NUMA architecture. In fact AMD's own research tends to indicate it physcially isn't possible at 7nm.
 
Gerard said:
Maybe so but everywhere that people have found a listing for these cards the price has been well over what was expected. Either they're all very good at putting in more expensive placeholder prices or they got the nod to charge more for them =/
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This is not the official MSRP, or AMD price gouging but retailers prince gouging.
 
I just hope that reviewers are aloud to test versus the Frontier edition so we can see if all the 'wait for the gaming edition' was really worth it after all.
 
D.P. said:
This is one of the biggest reasons.

Why do Nvidia charge $1200 for a TitanXp that is barely faster than a $700 1080Ti? Because people are willing to pay that. You can blame Nvidia all ou want for setting a ridiculous price but really their hands are kind of tied. Any companies single requirement is to maximize long term profits and returns to investor, while abiding by the laws. It is illegal for a CEO to do anything against those goals. If you can sell a product at a higher price and generate more profit then a company will do that

There are 2 mechanisms that prevent run-away price increases. The most important is market tolerance. Increasing prices will reduce sales so at some point total profit s reduce, a company always wants to find that sweet spot. The other mechanisms is competition, but that onyl works when there are lots of differentiating choices form multiple companies, and there is no price fixing.



Over the last 15 years or so there has been a large change in socioeconomic demographics. There are many people earning far more than equivalent jobs and skils 20 years ago. Then there tends to be a growing poorer distribution. Discrete GPUS are very much aimed at the 'haves", consoles at the 'have nots'. As such AMD and Nvidia can up-sale to higher price points. That is why a card as ridiculous as the Titan can now exist., and the 1060 and rx480 are just not that price competitive as they were in the past for that level of GPU.
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Sorry to brake your bubble but titan was out on market when 1080 came out and NORMAL 1080 was 650 and titan 1150. Titan xp is different story tho.

For people like me titan is not bad value. I edit 5-10 hours of footage every week. And i gret money out of it in a way. Lets say 25 quid a weekbl for hobby.. So it will pay itself back in one year
 
HRL said:
Hahaha. Do you actually believe that crap?

I've heard of the PC master race but I didn't realise it was real.

Most gamers I know all own both.
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I got ps4 xbone my pc oculus rift. And still 90% of time i play good old adictive as **** World of Warcraft but in 3d. Even new titan drops to 30fps on world bosses haha still need more power lol
 
Angilion said:
Console games are still pretty far from PC games in terms of quality of graphics and also in terms of quality of inputs. Better selection of games, maybe. They're far behind PC in terms of modding games. So far behind that it's not even vaguely close to being within shouting distance of being comparable.

I'm currently playing Fallout 4 with 118 mods installed using about 12GB. That's impossible with a console despite the fact that Fallout 4 is one of the 2 games that can be modded on consoles. Also, Nexus Mods is so vastly better than Bethesda for modding that it's like a pub kickabout team playing in the World Cup. Besides, Bethesda is dedicated to paid mods so they can profit from other people's work. Sooner or later, they'll succeed in that. With a better graphics card I'd be installing graphics mods as well and the game would look far better than it could on a console. As it is, even with an archaic graphics card I get a better framerate than a console for the same graphics.

Prior to Fallout 4, I had no idea how extensive modding games is on PCs and how much difference it can make. But it is and it does. Also, no mouse and keyboard. I have an Xbox controller for my PC. It's far less comfortable, far less precise and far less versatile. It's better only for racing games because it makes analogue steering possible and anyone who cares much about racing games would probably be using a wheel for steering anyway.

Modern consoles are adequate in terms of graphics, though, and the hardware is certainly a lot cheaper. If it wasn't for the lack of mouse and keyboard and almost total lack of modding, I'd be inclined to get one instead of a new gaming PC when my next upgrade cycle came round. Maybe at some point in the future, but not right now.
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I disagree and certainly at the beginning of the new console life cycle but you may have a point towards its end.

this is fallout 4 and the difference is not night or day, yes PC is better but nothing like 15 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ4oz8Y1Z8Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CloH-s1dnKY

Alien isolation on console and pc again not much difference and many other games. Yes PC is better but again not by much and there are certainly some titles that are much better on PC than console but not worth me paying £700 for a graphics card. I suppose games mad for PC specifically and then ported to console will always look superior.

Pc gaming is going to die if hardware prices keep rocketing.
 
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