The anti Israel = anti semitism agenda

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It's all a load of crap this hamas should stop firing rockets argument.

They didn't fire rockets for a long time, yet Israel continued to annex Palestinian land kicking out families from there home. Then to top it off in the most religious month of the Islamic faith they fire gas and bullets inside a mosque.

There will be a ceasefire soon but Israel's blatant thievery and apartheid policies will continue.

Its just a matter of how far they want to expand.
 
The Israeli government are happy to kill innocents, as it causes more and more people to rise against and fight them in desperation, as they are turfed from their homes, and removed from more and more land to allow Israeli people to move in to illegal settlements.

"They" want rockets to be fired at them, as it gives them cause to "react" and maintain their war on the oppressed people of Palestine.

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Since 1994, the group has frequently stated that it would accept a truce if Israel withdraws to the 1967 borders, paid reparations, allowed free elections in the territories and gave Palestinian refugees the right to return.
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Israel could enter into a truce tomorrow with Hamas, fall back to 1967 lines, and the rockets would most likely stop overnight. If that was what they really wanted, it would have happened.

Also, Hamas is an elected government of the people, not a terrorist organisation, as it is often labelled by various states who happen to find this position easier to justify their behaviours against them.
 
2013 said:
Finally, someone sees Palestinians are just wanting to exist, being willing to defend that right and get basic human rights.
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Probably want to check the aims of the authorities in Palestine. I fully acknowledge that's what some people want, but it isn't what their leaders want.
 
hurfdurf said:
what are the civilians supposed to do? They are locked in an ever shrinking open air prison with them, lots forced from their homes that have been stolen. Where do they go?
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There is very little civilians can do when their leaders are determined to commit atrocities against them by using them as human shields. That's why the practice must always be condemned in the strongest possible terms.
 
Malt_Vinegar said:
The Israeli government are happy to kill innocents, as it causes more and more people to rise against and fight them in desperation, as they are turfed from their homes, and removed from more and more land to allow Israeli people to move in to illegal settlements.

"They" want rockets to be fired at them, as it gives them cause to "react" and maintain their war on the oppressed people of Palestine.

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Israel could enter into a truce tomorrow with Hamas, fall back to 1967 lines, and the rockets would most likely stop overnight. If that was what they really wanted, it would have happened.

Also, Hamas is an elected government of the people, not a terrorist organisation, as it is often labelled by various states who happen to find this position easier to justify their behaviours against them.
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Using that simplistic logic, all Israel ask for is security, which when your opposition expressly rejects your right to exist as a country, is generally not forthcoming.

Hamas could stop firing rockets and acknowledge Israel's right to exist, and move forward from there.

Both sides are in the wrong, and both sides are in the right at various points and depending on specific viewpoints.

Israel is one of the few states in the world where people routinely deny it's right to exist, and yet people wonder why they are so defensive about it.
 
B&W said:
Wow totally ignore the modern day nazis in the Middle East and jump straight down the throat of the oppressed.

How brave and noble of you.
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Answer the question then.

You have advocated that hamas should be firing (unguided?) rockets indiscriminately into Israel. I would love to see your reasoning for that.
 
Dolph said:
There is very little civilians can do when their leaders are determined to commit atrocities against them by using them as human shields. That's why the practice must always be condemned in the strongest possible terms.
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Indeed. And you feel that Israel’s slaughter of said innocents as the 3rd highest funded military is a secondary issue.


Israel killed more civilians in the last 3 days than Hamas or Alquds rockets have in TEN YEARS.

Israel has one of the most advanced rocket interception defence systems on the planet. That’s defence.

Bombing the children in their homes is NOT self defence. It’s terrorism. Israel is determined to wipe out Palestine as a country, it is simply using Hamas as an excuse.

When Hamas stops, Israel doesn’t. They have refused to abide by the 1967 agreement and constantly pushed forward.
 
What I can't understand is this has been going on for 70 years, why can't they call for peace split the land have a nation each and live peacefully it's not hard.
the only issue is gaza and west bank being split in a way they it can not be one but after 70 years will people still have any connection to the other side.

Unless im missing something huge

Dolph said:
Probably want to check the aims of the authorities in Palestine. I fully acknowledge that's what some people want, but it isn't what their leaders want.
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Thats what most people want but can't get, that's the issue here.
as for the leader, I think they had been quiet for a long time, that changed a week ago, after that they stopped firing rockets asked for peace but the reply was not a chance things will continue.

Dolph said:
There is very little civilians can do when their leaders are determined to commit atrocities against them by using them as human shields. That's why the practice must always be condemned in the strongest possible terms.
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Your right there is very little Israeli civilians can do even if they wanted to when their leaders are determined to commit atrocities.

Dolph said:
Using that simplistic logic, all Israel ask for is security, which when your opposition expressly rejects your right to exist as a country, is generally not forthcoming.

Hamas could stop firing rockets and acknowledge Israel's right to exist, and move forward from there.

Both sides are in the wrong, and both sides are in the right at various points and depending on specific viewpoints.

Israel is one of the few states in the world where people routinely deny it's right to exist, and yet people wonder why they are so defensive about it.
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thats the same for the Palestinians all they want is human rights, security and the right to exist in their homes.


I think to end the apartheid and both should acknowledge each right to exist each having their own land and move forward from there.

Israel will have a only Jewish state as they want and Palestine will finally have a state. after so many years of they must fed up with living like this.
 
kindai said:
Answer the question then.

You have advocated that hamas should be firing (unguided?) rockets indiscriminately into Israel. I would love to see your reasoning for that.
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No, address the grievances of the Palestinians. The thievery of the Israelies, they're greed and avarice for more and more land.

This is the issue at hand, not crude rockets which have a less then 5% of hitting there targets probably lower I don't know the exact number.

Supporting bullies and and apartheid regime and you think you have the moral high ground?
 
2013 said:
I think to end the apartheid and both should acknowledge each right to exist each having their own land and move forward from there.

Israel will have a only Jewish state as they want and Palestine will finally have a state. after so many years of they must fed up with living like this.
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This has to be the basis of a solution, on this we both agree.
 
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