The anti Israel = anti semitism agenda

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Really doesn't take long for anti Israel to become anti-Semitism does it?

Eh?? Criticism of Israel should NEVER be conflated as Anti-Semitism. Its such an old trick now, honestly, its not going to work here.

Commit atrocities, the party committing them will, and should, come under scrutiny. Who they are, where they are from, or what religion/ancestry they have is irrelevant.
 
Eh?? Criticism of Israel should NEVER be conflated as Anti-Semitism. Its such an old trick now, honestly, its not going to work here.

Commit atrocities, the party committing them will, and should, come under scrutiny. Who they are, where they are from, or what religion/ancestry is irrelevant.
I know, but we now have people going around Jewish areas of London screaming death to Jews and that they are going to rape their daughters. So anti Israel has clearly become anti-Semitism now
 
Why is wanting destruction of a state considered a less aggressive position than that state just wanting to exist and being willing to defend that right?
Just so everyone is clear, can you refer to this map...

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... And say whether it's white or green you're talking about when you say, "wanting destruction of a state"?
 
I know, but we now have people going around Jewish areas of London screaming death to Jews and that they are going to rape their daughters. So anti Israel has clearly become anti-Semitism now

The bad behaviour of the poorly educated and informed few (who were likely already anti-semitic leaning) should be punished, and dealt with accordingly. It does not mean that Israel is free from scrutiny!!
 
The problem is that the situation is an immensely complex one. Yes, at its root it's about land, but it's not just Israel vs Palestine, but types of Jews vs types of Arabs who have very strong opposing views and believe that they have a populous identity tied to that land. Add onto that some allied powers and a situation that has constantly developed over the decades [and centuries], add a strong religious basis and it gets very hard to solve. In fact, it's almost impossible because there are so many different parts at play.

No proposed solution has worked, and every historical argument can be countered with another. It's permanent chicken and egg. The only way the spat will ever 'end' is for one of the 'sides' to be permanently decimated by the other. They both know this, so when one hits, the other hits back harder.

If you really want a good answer to your question, you would have to read, at some length, the history of the conflict. I don't mean Googling articles, but reading books and/or studying papers. You will see not only how awful both sides have been to the other, but how dreadful they have been to their own kind. It's actually all very interesting, and very tragic, and ultimately shows the human race up as being an aggressively selflish species, not that that distinguishes us from the rest of nature by much.
Yes you are right its a huge and complicated issue may be a lot we don't know and it's not just the two sides, has any recent reasonable proposed solution been put forward?

with a conflict going so long and so often things may change.

Does anyone know what the demands of each sides are ? Im hoping someone does with so many proposals over the years.



on the other hand, if one still wants all of its land back and the other has more power and backing and is already controlling the area with no one willing to step in, would either agree


You are right human race is an aggressively selflish species no one can deny this fact.
 
So it's basically an act of terror against civilians to further political aims?

If someone steals my neighbours house via a state sanctioned land grab, I’m going to defend my neighbour. The people who are active participants in intentionally moving onto stolen land and houses, displacing people into a ever shrinking torture chamber, are not civilians..
 
I know, but we now have people going around Jewish areas of London screaming death to Jews and that they are going to rape their daughters. So anti Israel has clearly become anti-Semitism now
Thats just stupid ill-educated people.
it's not helping anyone. no one would follow them, that's why its only a few cars with only 1 or 2 people.
 
I know, but we now have people going around Jewish areas of London screaming death to Jews and that they are going to rape their daughters. So anti Israel has clearly become anti-Semitism now

They are hardly representing anyone but themselves, and it would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise. You’ll note that their impotent edgy rantings aren’t backed up by anything.
 
They are hardly representing anyone but themselves, and it would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise. You’ll note that their impotent edgy rantings aren’t backed up by anything.

The lengths people will go to in order to justify, minimise or excuse antisemitic behaviour, especially those who are normally antiracist in every other context, never ceases to amaze me.
 
The lengths people will go to in order to justify, minimise or excuse antisemitic behaviour, especially those who are normally antiracist in every other context, never ceases to amaze me.
Nonsense. You are just being obtuse now.
No one here is doing any of the things you are claiming.
I am fairly sure hurf would condem these individuals and be happy to see them punished.
 
Just so everyone is clear, can you refer to this map...

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... And say whether it's white or green you're talking about when you say, "wanting destruction of a state"?

Six-Day War in 1967 Reshaped the Middle East (thoughtco.com)

Fast Facts: The Six-Day War
  • June 1967 war between Israel and Arab neighbors changed the map of the Middle East and transformed the region for decades.
  • Egypt’s leader, Nasser, vowed to destroy Israel in May 1967.
  • Combined Arab nations massed troops to attack Israel.
  • Israel struck first with devastating air raids.
  • Ceasefire ended conflict after six intense days of fighting. Israel gained territory and redefined the Middle East.
  • Casualties: Israeli: approximately 900 killed, 4,500 wounded. Egyptian: approximately 10,000 killed, unknown number wounded (official numbers never released). Syrian: approximately 2,000 killed, unknown number wounded (official number never released).
 
The lengths people will go to in order to justify, minimise or excuse antisemitic behaviour, especially those who are normally antiracist in every other context, never ceases to amaze me.
You honestly need your head checking, at one time I used to respect you highly as a poster. Now I look at your posts and laugh at just how utterly pathetic your views are.

How has Hurf defended these idiots?? Go on please enlighten us.
I think what is more sad and pathetic is certain members in here defending what Israel is doing…maybe not in so many words but it doesn’t take a genius to figure out what they are saying.
Geezus some of you need a good reality check if you think in any way, shape or form what Israel is doing is correct.
 
It's an internationally agreed definition of antisemitism, accepted by countries and organisations across the world, including the UK government, the EU commission, and so on.



It's explicitly called out in the internationally accepted definition of antisemitism as an example of antisemitic behaviour.

So unless you're planning on denying the Jewish community the same right to define offensive behaviour as other minorities enjoy (which would also be discriminatory), it absolutely is antisemitic.

I had hoped it was ignorance on your part, but it appears to be something deeper.

Yeah of course to have an actual discussion I must now goto a certain website and ensure I don't hurt people's feelings even though I am not saying anything hurtful to the jewish community or mentioned them. Nonsense.

Free speech when it suits you, certain patterns here aren't they...
 
It's all a load of crap this hamas should stop firing rockets argument.

They didn't fire rockets for a long time, yet Israel continued to annex Palestinian land kicking out families from there home. Then to top it off in the most religious month of the Islamic faith they fire gas and bullets inside a mosque.

There will be a ceasefire soon but Israel's blatant thievery and apartheid policies will continue.

Its just a matter of how far they want to expand.
LOL, they fired rockets into Israel almost every month in 2020 and in Jan/April of this year.

You really are peddling some delusional lies.
 
By firing unguided rockets at non-military targets?

Well, let me check.

Fighter jets with laser guided munition? No
Tanks with modern armor and targetting (no tanks at all actually). No
Night vision helmets. No

Put yourself in there position, they have no other option. When there was no rocket fire, they were still displacing palestinians. It is the desperate act of a desparate people.
 
I just think if the situation was, for example, France deciding to annex Jersey and Guernsey, all bets would be off in terms of the UKs response to the people defending Israels actions.
 
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