People moan when the US gets involved in forign wars. But they also moan when they dont...
There is a huge difference from getting involved and blocking a statement.
Biden hasn't even got any envoys there.
And it will take weeks to do so.
People moan when the US gets involved in forign wars. But they also moan when they dont...
I see Biden is messing about.
"For 3rd time, US blocking joint Security Council statement urging ceasefire"
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-3...-security-council-statement-urging-ceasefire/
Biden hasn't appointed anyone to that region.
What the hell is he doing. Shame on him.
But he said he hopes it will end soon. We just need to believe more right?I see Biden is messing about.
"For 3rd time, US blocking joint Security Council statement urging ceasefire"
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-3...-security-council-statement-urging-ceasefire/
Biden hasn't appointed anyone to that region.
What the hell is he doing. Shame on him.
It will never happen, haven't all the Republicans and half the Democrats signed a letter stating they support Israel's military aid regardless of any human rights violations?What would likely happen if the US completely stopped supporting Israel including sanctioning them?
Your continual conflation of the highly contested, recent broad definition of anti-Semitism as out-and-out racism and indiscriminate flack cannon of accusations calling others racist based on such is the the issue I have.You continue trying to excuse or justify racist behaviour by not applying the same standards to Antisemitism as are applied to other forms of racism.
I reject that line of thought.
It's not hard.
What would likely happen if the US completely stopped supporting Israel including sanctioning them?
Your continual conflation of the highly contested, recent broad definition of anti-Semitism as out-and-out racism and indiscriminate flack cannon of accusations calling others racist based on such is the the issue I have.
I called out legitimate racism of Jewish people on a previous page, which would fall under the traditional bracket of anti-Semitism which is widely regarded as racism.
Your defensive misuse of the term racism is quite negative, also outlined by Dowie previously, and appears to simply be a fall-back. Please, continue to call out what has debatably been referred to as modern anti-Semitism all you wish, but refer to it as such and stop calling others racist when they are quite obviously not and are quite apparently pro-human rights.
You do a disservice to victims of racism.
'like' doesn't come into it. and i'm not asking you to defend it. i asked if you were ok with the it, and you've went on to answer that, sort of (quoted below)but you're asking me to defend a specific case that you clearly don't like
respect is one thing, agreeing is another. at no point have i mentioned the jewish people either as a race or religion. i've only commented on the state, or rather the government of israel, much like i don't refer to the german people as a whole but rather the nazi regime. for people to think that it's ok for israel to be able to force the change of definition of a term (antisemitism) is disgraceful and utterly disgusting. and, imo, detracts from those who have suffered from or continue to genuinely suffer from antisemetic abuse. calling the state of israel nazi like for it's behaviour towards palestine is in no way a slur or attack on the jewish race/religion.whereas I'm coming from the position of respecting the principle
i reject the principle that the state or government of israel and the jewish religion/race are interchangeable.Are you rejecting the principle in full (thereby moving the onus from perception to confirmed intent for all forms of racism), or are you just suggesting it shouldn't apply in full to certain groups?
But he said he hopes it will end soon. We just need to believe more right?
It will never happen, haven't all the Republicans and half the Democrats signed a letter stating they support Israel's military aid regardless of any human rights violations?
If it did - lets be honest, it would be deemed the most anti-Semitic thing ever to have happened on this planet.
This whole saga only has one ending. But as long we make sure criticism of the Israeli government is completely equal to other bodies - we can rest easy whilst millions of people are sandwiched and subjugated into a living hell.
Be interesting to see how some on here would have reacted (on OcUK if it existed back then) to the build ups of segregation and Apartheid - the cynic in me thinks some would try and downplay/deflect.
there's the problem. no one is calling jewish people nazis. and now you're going all defensive and acting offended.So just to be clear, I'm in the wrong and evil in your eyes for supporting the idea that it's not ok to call jewish people Nazis?
Do you think his daughters might have his ear?
there's the problem. no one is calling jewish people nazis. and now you're going all defensive and acting offended.
@deuse what do you think Biden should be doing?
I only ask as I think that current criticism is more appropriate against both Hamas and the Israeli response, rather than principally at Biden.
Hahaha what a rebuttal! The definition you so freely use is not about calling Jewish people Nazi's, it is about comparing the actions of Israel to that of the Nazis.So just to be clear, I'm in the wrong and evil in your eyes for supporting the idea that it's not ok to call jewish people Nazis?
Gotcha.
I have always found the US to be unduly ‘pro’ Israel in this conflict, where to my mind there are two ‘culprits’ subject to fair criticism.Anything is better than nothing.
Even putting a envoy there would be good, but that will take many weeks to pass.