The Asus ROG SWIFT PG278Q – a 27” 1400p 144Hz Monitor with G-SYNC
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As a gamer, I was never interested in the Acer IPS, I don't do artwork nor do I watch movies. I only play games. IPS does not automaticly mean better then TN.
I'm wondering what a IPS Swift would offer to me, as long as I don't care about viewing angles. They can still screw up the coating, but I have a feeling they will go for a less obstrusive/agressive coating this time around, wich could be an improvement. Other then that, I'm not interested in realistic colours, I prefer unrealistic but bright colours, wich the Swift does very well. Then there is the IPS glow, wich ruins the black uniformity of the screen. The current Swift has incredible black uniformity, especially on my last october unit, one of the best I've ever seen.
I'm just being cautious, but hopefully we'l be surprised the coming days with what Asus has in store for us. If someone else can convince me to be more optimistic, i'd like to hear your opinion why an IPS Swift would be better, for gaming that is.
Well if you don't care about image quality, viewing angles, accurate colours etc. then there isn't much point moving from the asus swift tn 
I use my IPS monitor for gaming and I still appreciate all of IPS strengths over a TN panel, if I had to pick the "main" reason for preferring IPS over TN, probably because of viewing angles and no contrast shift, I use a 360 pad most of the time so I'm never sat perfectly in the centre of my screen, I have to view the screen from an extreme angle for colours to get washed out etc.
You would be best to ask in the acer 144HZ IPS thread as quite a few have the swift in there and prefer the acer due to the improved image quality etc.
And yes, I presume that this will be using the same/similar panel as the one found in the acer so hopefully you will get a much lighter matte finish, that is the only thing, which is a really big let down with the swift imo, the anti-glare finish thing has a big impact on image quality, clarity & contrast.
IPS glow is certainly a right pita if you get a bad monitor for it especially on the 21.9 monitors, however, severe IPS glow only really affects a few monitors and isn't much of an issue for others, it only becomes a big issue on dark content i.e. alien isolation when you view from quite a wide angle.
Personally my only complaint with current 60HZ IPS displays is the motion clarity.
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Also, the panel finish is down to the panel manufacturer, not the monitor brand/manufacturer.
I use my IPS monitor for gaming and I still appreciate all of IPS strengths over a TN panel, if I had to pick the "main" reason for preferring IPS over TN, probably because of viewing angles and no contrast shift, I use a 360 pad most of the time so I'm never sat perfectly in the centre of my screen, I have to view the screen from an extreme angle for colours to get washed out etc.
You would be best to ask in the acer 144HZ IPS thread as quite a few have the swift in there and prefer the acer due to the improved image quality etc.
And yes, I presume that this will be using the same/similar panel as the one found in the acer so hopefully you will get a much lighter matte finish, that is the only thing, which is a really big let down with the swift imo, the anti-glare finish thing has a big impact on image quality, clarity & contrast.
IPS glow is certainly a right pita if you get a bad monitor for it especially on the 21.9 monitors, however, severe IPS glow only really affects a few monitors and isn't much of an issue for others, it only becomes a big issue on dark content i.e. alien isolation when you view from quite a wide angle.
Personally my only complaint with current 60HZ IPS displays is the motion clarity.
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Also, the panel finish is down to the panel manufacturer, not the monitor brand/manufacturer.
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As I said, image quality can be a subjective thing. IPS has realistic colours, but sometimes unrealistic and bright colours of the regular Swift can be more attractive for specific gamers.
And yes, the aggressive coating really sucks, and if the PG279Q has a less obstrusive one, thats a +1 in my book. But still, when this IPS variant gets released, it doesn't automaticly mean its going to be superior to the TN Swift. We'l have to see I suppose. Can't wait for the coming days for more news.
And yes, the aggressive coating really sucks, and if the PG279Q has a less obstrusive one, thats a +1 in my book. But still, when this IPS variant gets released, it doesn't automaticly mean its going to be superior to the TN Swift. We'l have to see I suppose. Can't wait for the coming days for more news.
Pretty much spot on - I'd add lack of proper advanced OSD features to the Swift though as cons :| the XL2420 needs a 3rd entry for how poor the colour reproduction is even calibrated though
not had a chance yet to get my Swift properly calibrated but its sitting side by side with a Dell U2913WM which is and once you knock the gamma down via drivers the Swift isn't noticeably worse viewing angles aside.Well you can adjust IPS screens and any monitor for that matter to be as vibrant, saturated, bright etc. as you like as well, they don't have to be "accurate" and besides, no screen will be "accurate" unless you calibrate them. I could adjust the gamma to get more pop/vibrant looking colours but then lose out on detail in dark areas or I could up the gamma to see more detail in dark areas but get washed out/less vivid looking colours.
I like my screen to be as accurate as possible so I see things as they were intended (pretty much everything out there in terms of games, films etc. will be edited on a high end calibrated IPS display), however, I don't think it is worth spending £150+ for a calibrator so I just use various calibration test images to get what I feel looks right to my eyes and if I find any games that look a little too washed out for my liking, then I will use sweetfx.
But yes it is down to preference, much like audio and EQ settings, a lot of people prefer the high bass, more drawn out tone of game, movie, music EQ in asus essence STX II control panel but others including myself prefer using hifi mode as it has no alterations done so you are getting as close to the original recording as possible.
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I think gamma/RGB is probably the most important calibration you can do to get a not only an accurate image but also a pleasing one too, I find this to be pretty damn accurate for manual calibration:
http://www.phototopics.net/pt_gamma/
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Tried latest nvidia drivers... another mess.
Back on 347.88 sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet
Back on 347.88 sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet
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They have messed about with settings . now Vsync is enabled by default and Gsync is under monitor technology option .
"Upon installing 353.06, my "Vertical Sync" is on by default, and G-Sync is now located in "Monitor Technology". Question:
If I leave Monitor Technology as G-Sync and Vertical Sync on, would G-Sync be active until I reach my monitor refresh rate limit (144hz), then V-Sync kicks in?" <quote from user with same problem on Nvidia forum.
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I've not tested but I think with the new settings if you have gsync enabled then the vsync on/off function works like:
VSync on: Gsync active, framerate won't exceed refresh rate
VSync off: Gsync active until you exceed refresh rate, disabled when rendering above refresh rate (so you'd get tearing, etc. at higher framerates).
VSync on: Gsync active, framerate won't exceed refresh rate
VSync off: Gsync active until you exceed refresh rate, disabled when rendering above refresh rate (so you'd get tearing, etc. at higher framerates).
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Contacted Asus and they have accepted the RMA Return. Even tho it is a stuck Bright Red pixel, and normally needs 3 or more they are sending out a replacement.
happy days.
Oh also i contacted Galax about the stickers melting off and getting jammed in my 980 SLI setup and they are sending me out some goodies. just a little head nod to the people that said to do nothing and get on with it.
happy days.
Oh also i contacted Galax about the stickers melting off and getting jammed in my 980 SLI setup and they are sending me out some goodies. just a little head nod to the people that said to do nothing and get on with it.
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I am sorry to hear you've had to RMA your monitor, how long have you had it?
I've only had mine for 6 months, bought it back in october from Ocuk and haven't looked back since, albeit pricey. It will last for a while (hopefully.) A perfect monitor for a new gpu
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Just under 3 months.
ASUS have no reason to replace it as its their policy for it to have 3 or more pixel problems. But thankfully the accepted the request to RMA.
Fingers crossed the courier doesn't ask for this one back so i can run Dual 27" ROG Swifts.
Similar thing happened with a set of Logitech 5.1 Speakers i had that cost £300+ one of the control pod backlight LEDs died but had no effect on the speakers. When the courier came with the Free replacement, i had the faulty ones boxed up and offered it to him. but he said "It says nothing here about picking up a parcel exchange" so i got to keep two, sold one to my mate for half price. hes managed to solder on a micro LED for the backlight.
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just got a Asus swift i knew the colors are no as good on TN panels, but OMG its awful on desktop use think am going to send it back just cant use it after using my late 2012 27" imac for so long.
going to have to hold out for the Asus pg279q. photo next to me imac
going to have to hold out for the Asus pg279q. photo next to me imac
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Taken the plunge and got one from the MM.
Hopefully be able to make use of it with 780sli without having to upgrade gfx cards.
Hopefully be able to make use of it with 780sli without having to upgrade gfx cards.
Got a question about this monitor...
I've got a swift and had it for about 3 weeks now, however im not sure if the issue with mine would be classed as a fault or not.
Basically the gamma is too high causing the colours to be very washed out for about 30/40% of the screen from the bottom up. You can manually adjust the gamma using calibration settings etc but I have to lower it down to around 0.80 in the nvidia control panel to make it look acceptable. However this makes the top part of the screen darker than it should be even with the TN color shift.
Of course many games ignore the gamma settings or reset it as soon as the game is closed down. I have to manually toggle it back everytime.
I've done the obvious things like lowering brightness and contrast, tried countless ICC profiles etc but it remains washed out all the same without the large gamma adjust.
Most owners and reviews etc say the gamma is close to 2.2 out of the box but mine is miles off.
Reckon this would be a fault worthy or an RMA through Asus or am I doing something wrong?
I've got a swift and had it for about 3 weeks now, however im not sure if the issue with mine would be classed as a fault or not.
Basically the gamma is too high causing the colours to be very washed out for about 30/40% of the screen from the bottom up. You can manually adjust the gamma using calibration settings etc but I have to lower it down to around 0.80 in the nvidia control panel to make it look acceptable. However this makes the top part of the screen darker than it should be even with the TN color shift.
Of course many games ignore the gamma settings or reset it as soon as the game is closed down. I have to manually toggle it back everytime.
I've done the obvious things like lowering brightness and contrast, tried countless ICC profiles etc but it remains washed out all the same without the large gamma adjust.
Most owners and reviews etc say the gamma is close to 2.2 out of the box but mine is miles off.
Reckon this would be a fault worthy or an RMA through Asus or am I doing something wrong?
I've got mine sitting next to a calibrated Dell U2913WM and aslong as I drop the gamma via drivers on the Swift and tweak the R, G, B slightly it looks fairly decent - not quite as good as the IPS but not a million miles off if I'm sitting dead on to it.
Sounds like a uniformity issue but it would probably have to be fairly extreme to be accepted as a fault :S
That is why I dislike the lack of hardware gamma control on the panel itself
I dunno who thought the out the box gamma was acceptable but anyone with half an eye for image quality wouldn't be happy with it.I'm going to give Asus a call tomorrow and see what they think. Surely it can't really be acceptable like it is now. I'd like to think other users wouldn't accept it like that at all.
It is almost like a slight mist over the bottom half of the screen. Put a website that is is heavy in white like facebook for example to the bottom of the screen and you almost have to squint to read the text. Not to mention the ultra pale blue colour the header turns.
Meh... I'll give it a go and see what happens. End of the day my cheap Hanns G 28" 1920x1200 produces better colour and picture quality
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Going by this gamma test http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php
When the image is in the center of screen the gamma reads as 48%=1.7 , 25% = 1.9 and 10%= 2.0.
...Can't be good surely?
It is almost like a slight mist over the bottom half of the screen. Put a website that is is heavy in white like facebook for example to the bottom of the screen and you almost have to squint to read the text. Not to mention the ultra pale blue colour the header turns.
Meh... I'll give it a go and see what happens. End of the day my cheap Hanns G 28" 1920x1200 produces better colour and picture quality
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Going by this gamma test http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php
When the image is in the center of screen the gamma reads as 48%=1.7 , 25% = 1.9 and 10%= 2.0.
...Can't be good surely?
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