The Asus ROG SWIFT PG278Q – a 27” 1400p 144Hz Monitor with G-SYNC

llamadal said:
oh bs, where do you get your info from? You do realise that will still mean a new monitor - that tech has been around for ages in laptops as a power saving function and no-one has even seen it work on anything else yet. So please tell us how it's too late troll.

gsync first impressions have been very good and more importantly, it's here now - retrofit or not.

It's not for everyone and it's not an nvidia vs ati debate topic, I want both to do well as it's only good for the consumer.

For now I don't need it, but for future generations and newer/very demanding games, I can see myself adopting it in a year or 2, depending how the market develops.
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1.2a is ready. Controllers compatible with it probably are too, since the mulled spec has been known for a while. Previously it wasn't known if adaptive would go into 1.3 or an interim (1.2a). It doesn't require much ... unlike a currently vapourware entirely proprietary NVIDIA technology that requires panel manufacturers to use an NVIDIA controller and pay licensing fees on top of that and also requires you to have an NVIDIA graphics card.

This is the entire reason for the paper launch. NVIDIA were desperate to capture the market before an open standard dominated. They're a bit late and will likely offer little more than solutions using 1.2a / 1.3's baked-in adaptive synch support, except of course additional cost and headaches for monitor makers and consumers.
 
pgi947 said:
As long as this info consists of solid pricing info and a solid release date then fair enough, otherwise someone's gonna get kicked square in the nuts :p
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If they don't have final production units to show at Computex, then I doubt we'll see the monitor before September / October. An ASUS rep. saying that there will be 'information' or 'news' doesn't seem to suggest confidence in their previous statement of "Q2".
 
pmc25 said:
If they don't have final production units to show at Computex, then I doubt we'll see the monitor before September / October. An ASUS rep. saying that there will be 'information' or 'news' doesn't seem to suggest confidence in their previous statement of "Q2".
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What type of timeline are we looking at for monitors / graphics cards which can do adaptive VSYNC via DP 1.2a?
 
1kiwi said:
What type of timeline are we looking at for monitors / graphics cards which can do adaptive VSYNC via DP 1.2a?
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Any reasonably recent NVIDIA or AMD graphics card should be able to do it. Also see no reason why AMD APUs or onboard Intel graphics couldn't do it ... you just need the drivers. For monitors, whenever 1.2a monitors become available. Theoretically, any monitor that's sold with DP 1.2a ports should have a fully compatible controller, so any will be able to do it. I assume we'll see the first crop of DP1.2a monitors at Computex. Ideally, the ROG Swift will have it.

However ... are NVIDIA actually going to write drivers / a program to do this, or are they going to **** their users in the hope they can force them to buy a G-Synch monitor? If they do release a program, then it should come very close to (or match) G-Synch ... so do they purposely gimp it to make G-Synch viable? If they refuse to release a program / drivers, or gimp it, then this'll be appalling PR for them. If they release a program / drivers that are as good as AMD's so-called Freesynch, then they're torpedoing G-Synch.
 
Where is your info from or are you just making it up as you go along?

Amd have said they dont think nvidia can support it on thir current GPU's, they've also said adaptive sync monitors are, realistically, 12 months away from release

The ROG swift specifically is goingto be a gsync monitor, so no it wont also support dp1.2a, unless nvidia decide to go back to the drawing board and add dp1.2a to a product that would otherwise ship imminently and already has gsync

The best PR for nvidia right now is to have as many gsync monitors out as quickly as possible before freesync has any chance to start gaining market share and only to add support for adaptive vsync after the hardware is available

We have no idea which monitors / types / sizes / resolutions freesync is going to be available on at this point, so gsync may well still have USP compared to where freesync becomes available
 
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iirc adaptive sync (free sync) is almost entirely dependent on software (drivers) to sort the frame timing etc... Out. I honestly think I'd rather have a hardware solution in gsync.
 
pgi947 said:
iirc adaptive sync (free sync) is almost entirely dependent on software (drivers) to sort the frame timing etc... Out. I honestly think I'd rather have a hardware solution in gsync.
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Some news outlets are saying (possibly guessing) that freesync works the same way as the demo at CES which means the same way eDP uses variable vblank, which means you have to send the vblank interval with the last frame, which means the gpu has to guess how long the next frame will take to render... This uses reources, and if the guess is wrong then it either means the old frame is displayed too long (lag) or not long enough (stutter)

How much of a difference this makes in actual usage remains to be seen, but yes, on the face of it, gsync is the cleaner, faster, better solution
 
This is a thread about a gsync monitor, so currently only relevant to people interested in getting one. Pmc, You are clearly anti this and everything nvidia, so do everyone a favour and take your manipulated bs somewhere else and let's try to keep this useful for people who want to find out this item.
 
pmc25 said:
Any reasonably recent NVIDIA or AMD graphics card should be able to do it. Also see no reason why AMD APUs or onboard Intel graphics couldn't do it ... you just need the drivers. For monitors, whenever 1.2a monitors become available. Theoretically, any monitor that's sold with DP 1.2a ports should have a fully compatible controller, so any will be able to do it. I assume we'll see the first crop of DP1.2a monitors at Computex. Ideally, the ROG Swift will have it.

However ... are NVIDIA actually going to write drivers / a program to do this, or are they going to **** their users in the hope they can force them to buy a G-Synch monitor? If they do release a program, then it should come very close to (or match) G-Synch ... so do they purposely gimp it to make G-Synch viable? If they refuse to release a program / drivers, or gimp it, then this'll be appalling PR for them. If they release a program / drivers that are as good as AMD's so-called Freesynch, then they're torpedoing G-Synch.
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AMD fanboy post of the year goes to.....

Don't like it, don't buy it and gtfo out of this thread :rolleyes:

Seriously the whole graphics fanboy wars are worse than console gamers
 
Cant really afford the GPU fire power to run 4k so I think this G-SYNC monitor is my best bet as I want a higher res than 1080p. Computex isn't long so fingers crossed for some solid news.

Thinking a 780ti, the Swift and G-Sync should be a good combination. :)
 
LurkingWeasel said:
If it's genuinely better in terms of colour reproduction and black levels than regular TNs, I'll probably be all over this. Price dependent of course.
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What makes you think it will be better in terms of black levels? It shares the same typical static contrast (1000:1) so should be quite similar. Hopefully uniformity will be decent overall, but I don't really expect the main flaws of TN (viewing angle limitations, poor colour consistency) to be addressed with this. The main thing most users should be concerned with is that ASUS are able to provide fairly rich/vibrant but fairly accurately represented colours within the constraints of TN technology.
 
Sin_Chase said:
You clearly do not know what vaporware is. G-SYNC is out in the wild with consumers - Now.

Freesync is what is known as vaporware, at it's current stage.
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The only product available is a barely productionised retrofit using the model of monitor and controller board that NVIDIA used for prototyping. 7 months after announcement, there is still yet to be a monitor released.
 
Very close ;). It was originally announced as being available at the end of May and it is indeed being 'shown off' at some event very soon. But it has been pushed back along with other G-SYNC products as Nvidia performs some final tweaks to G-SYNC.
 
PCM2 said:
What makes you think it will be better in terms of black levels? It shares the same typical static contrast (1000:1) so should be quite similar. Hopefully uniformity will be decent overall, but I don't really expect the main flaws of TN (viewing angle limitations, poor colour consistency) to be addressed with this. The main thing most users should be concerned with is that ASUS are able to provide fairly rich/vibrant but fairly accurately represented colours within the constraints of TN technology.
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My mistake - I thought Asus were pimping this out as a superior TN panel and assumed that that meant it would be better than regular TNs with dark colours (my main gripe with TN). Wishful thinking on my part then.
 
the samsung 4k has better black levels than I remember any TN I've previously had - though that could well be because of the dynamic back light rather than the panel itself - it isnt significantly worse than the IPS I have sat next to it

it was pretty awful out of the box, but with a quick spin some calibration images it really came to life
 
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