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the card that changed everything
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A review about the cards from the V1/PCX1 days. See I was not makeing stuff up. The PCX2 wasnt even out when this review was done.
"If you are not convinced, try out Ultimate Race from Kalisto Entertainment, one of the games packed with the Apocalypse 3D, and you will be on for a visual treat! Playing in 800 by 600 with over 25 frames per second with millions of colors on the screen is not an experience you will easily forget. It is truly something that has to be seen!"
EDIT: The Apocalypse being a PowerVR card and the V1 limited to 640x480
" Furthermore, the PowerVR benefits by a scalable architecture which means the performance will increase with faster CPU's, and is said by the company to find its limit with the equivalent of a Pentium 400 MHz. The Voodoo chip will also deliver higher performances with a faster CPU, but unlike the PowerVR, it will achieve maximum performances with a Pentium 200 MHz. Finally, another difference between the two chips is the way the rendering is done. The "infinite plane" modelling used by the PowerVR technology is particularly interesting when rendering large polygons that would normally take a large memory bandwidth. Advanced lighting effects can also be rendered much easier and with better performances than with the conventional technique based on small polygons (used by the Voodoo chip)."
http://www.csoon.com/issue26/pwvr3dfx.htm
"If you are not convinced, try out Ultimate Race from Kalisto Entertainment, one of the games packed with the Apocalypse 3D, and you will be on for a visual treat! Playing in 800 by 600 with over 25 frames per second with millions of colors on the screen is not an experience you will easily forget. It is truly something that has to be seen!"
EDIT: The Apocalypse being a PowerVR card and the V1 limited to 640x480
" Furthermore, the PowerVR benefits by a scalable architecture which means the performance will increase with faster CPU's, and is said by the company to find its limit with the equivalent of a Pentium 400 MHz. The Voodoo chip will also deliver higher performances with a faster CPU, but unlike the PowerVR, it will achieve maximum performances with a Pentium 200 MHz. Finally, another difference between the two chips is the way the rendering is done. The "infinite plane" modelling used by the PowerVR technology is particularly interesting when rendering large polygons that would normally take a large memory bandwidth. Advanced lighting effects can also be rendered much easier and with better performances than with the conventional technique based on small polygons (used by the Voodoo chip)."
http://www.csoon.com/issue26/pwvr3dfx.htm
Once again the PVR-tinted specs come out
http://www.thg.ru/graphic/19971130/print.html that is real hard numbers, not some uneducated review from the initial release of the cards.
Face it, the PCX1/2 changed nothing (the title of this very thread is questioning that very fact), it appeared, had a few titles written for it, then got kerb stomped by a superior competitor.
layte said "Once again the PVR-tinted specs come out
http://www.thg.ru/graphic/19971130/print.html"
Notice how they lowered the graphic settings on the V1? Real fair. PowerVR are running with 24-bit colour and 3DFX had that turned off. Remember what I said before the simple screens are faster with a Voodoo the complicated screens run better on PowerVR. Up the res to 800x600 and the colour to 24-bit then see who wins. As the PCX only renders what you can see it suffer far less slowdown when you upped the settings compared to the other cards.
Not only that but I would much rather take the PCX 30fps with 24bit colour over the Voodoo 16bit colour.
EDIT: Some of the 3DFX cards are overclocked as well.
layte said " Face it, the PCX1/2 changed nothing (the title of this very thread is questioning that very fact), it appeared, had a few titles written for it, then got kerb stomped by a superior competitor. "
It had more then a few titles written for it. They got devs and game players interested in 24-bit colour, lens flares, higher resolutions, light volumes, real time shadows and later FSAA, bump mapping and other features. A lot of the features we take for granted these days where introduced by PowerVR.
layte said "then got kerb stomped by a superior competitor."
Yet PowerVR are still alive and selling millions of chips per year. Yes I agree by the V2 age 3DFX sold better and where more popular, I never disagreed with that. I am just saying the V1 wasn't as a big leap forward as many people said. The PCX1 bought us better looking games over the V1.
http://www.thg.ru/graphic/19971130/print.html"
Notice how they lowered the graphic settings on the V1? Real fair. PowerVR are running with 24-bit colour and 3DFX had that turned off. Remember what I said before the simple screens are faster with a Voodoo the complicated screens run better on PowerVR. Up the res to 800x600 and the colour to 24-bit then see who wins. As the PCX only renders what you can see it suffer far less slowdown when you upped the settings compared to the other cards.
Not only that but I would much rather take the PCX 30fps with 24bit colour over the Voodoo 16bit colour.
EDIT: Some of the 3DFX cards are overclocked as well.
layte said " Face it, the PCX1/2 changed nothing (the title of this very thread is questioning that very fact), it appeared, had a few titles written for it, then got kerb stomped by a superior competitor. "
It had more then a few titles written for it. They got devs and game players interested in 24-bit colour, lens flares, higher resolutions, light volumes, real time shadows and later FSAA, bump mapping and other features. A lot of the features we take for granted these days where introduced by PowerVR.
layte said "then got kerb stomped by a superior competitor."
Yet PowerVR are still alive and selling millions of chips per year. Yes I agree by the V2 age 3DFX sold better and where more popular, I never disagreed with that. I am just saying the V1 wasn't as a big leap forward as many people said. The PCX1 bought us better looking games over the V1.
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Whatever fella, I don't agree with anything you are posting, and neither does anyone else looking at the amount of people who have also posted about the PCX. We'll just have to accept that neither of us is going to change the other mind or opinion.
I'm sure we both have better things to be doing with our time.
I'm sure we both have better things to be doing with our time.
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How anyone can disgree that the Voodoo1 wins this round is just confusing.
Emlyn_Dewar said "How anyone can disgree that the Voodoo1 wins this round is just confusing. "
I disagree for valid reasons. The V1 didn't create or start the 3Dmarket it was just the next step and evolved the market. Just like the first pixel shader cards. If we went down a different timeline without 3DFX I don't think the market would be that different now because 3DFX didn't add that much on their own. What would we have if 3DFX wasnt here? The same major games would have come out with 3d support and looked just as good with or without 3DFX in 1996/1997.
siuko said "still think the best jump was from Software rendering to GL with the Voodoo 1.... Since then its all just been enhancements on the same sort of quality."
This is what I don't get. The V1 was just an enhancement over early 3Dcards. When it came to GLQuake the V1 was not a jump forward in image quality. Sure it was jump compared to software but it wasn't a jump compared to other 3dcards. The V1 quality wasn't even the best as it could only run the lower graphical settings in GLQuake.
I disagree for valid reasons. The V1 didn't create or start the 3Dmarket it was just the next step and evolved the market. Just like the first pixel shader cards. If we went down a different timeline without 3DFX I don't think the market would be that different now because 3DFX didn't add that much on their own. What would we have if 3DFX wasnt here? The same major games would have come out with 3d support and looked just as good with or without 3DFX in 1996/1997.
siuko said "still think the best jump was from Software rendering to GL with the Voodoo 1.... Since then its all just been enhancements on the same sort of quality."
This is what I don't get. The V1 was just an enhancement over early 3Dcards. When it came to GLQuake the V1 was not a jump forward in image quality. Sure it was jump compared to software but it wasn't a jump compared to other 3dcards. The V1 quality wasn't even the best as it could only run the lower graphical settings in GLQuake.
Definately, hadn't started buiding my own pc's by this point though, but was sooo jealous of people with pc's with the voodoo1 in them =(
My 1st card that got me out of the cheapies was the ti4200, although after trying the gf3 and 2 series, i wouldn't say it was a massive leap. Certainly wouldn't say the 9800pro, as the difference between the ti4 series and the 98pro wasn't mah00sive. 79gtc - 88gtx was far bigger.
Unofficially ?
TY TY TY!
I've been seraching for months trying to find this pic!
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Well I was going on my experience of what changed it - I only have my experience to go on so for me that was the card that changed everything.
Maybe some people had earlier 3D cards but I'm betting the Voodoo was most likely the card that the vast majority of people bought... and often its not which card is the best technically that wins - its the one everyone REMEMBERS, as they and all their mates bought one.
Agreed, I'm old enough to remember the impact this had when it was launched
I remember the failed Diamond EDGE card to be the first 3d card, after which came the original Voodoo, of which I had the Orchid Righteous.
GL Quake was simply amazing at the time.
But I think the thing that started it all was the Diamond Edge, even though it was crap and didn't do much.
TM
GL Quake was simply amazing at the time.
But I think the thing that started it all was the Diamond Edge, even though it was crap and didn't do much.
TM
i remember that card, some marketing malarkey of being able to display a billion different colours, i think sega comes to mind, think it was bundled with virtua fighter / daytona racing / panzer dragoon
Yep, exactly the same for me too here. Quake2 in OpenGL on a Voodoo1 paired with my Matrox Millenium.
