The Carlos Tevez saga - what a tool

jonneymendoza said:
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It's fact, simple as that, Mancini very very very clearly stated that Tevez refused to play, to COME ON THE PITCH, nothing else. He was fined, eventually for failing to warm up and Platt, tv evidence, Tevez, has said he had already warmed up once.

I was thinking of a way to relate it to another career as so many people are of this utterly absurd position that he's only a player and HAS to do what a manager says which is laughable.

Imagine your boss at work asks for a coffee, you get it for him, he arbitrarily throws it in the bin and demands another one, are you being treated unfairly or not?

I would not in any way expect a boss to do that, what I might expect is a reasonable boss to ask where his coffee is and I remind him that I left it in his office or something, to which he'd be fine. IE Mancini should have realised Tevez was warmed up, which is the response Tevez gave, and then say ok get ready to go on.

What actually happened was the boss was mid argument(when very few people are totally rational, and that is understandable) with one player, he told Tevez to warm up, he wasn't in the mood to hear that Tevez was ready to go on, blew up and then later on lied about it to cover up his ridiculous behaviour.

Again the same situation is, if my boss is having a screaming argument with another employee, I'd likely avoid him for the moment and bring him a coffee later.

Mancini acted unreasonably, the suggestion that Tevez, ready to come on the pitch, and Mancini asking him to warm up...... so he's ready to come on the pitch, that Tevez should have warmed up again is just stupid. if you're ready, you're ready, that is what Mancini was ultimately asking of him. Mancini over reacted, Mancini lied after the game, their investigation did not in any way back up Mancini's original claims, no one heard Tevez refuse to come on the pitch, because he didn't and no one is actually claiming that now. Look around stories and its all now "refused to warm up" and few bother mentioning "because he had already warmed up".

Everything up to the point Mancini lied about what Tevez did was not unreasonable, people have bad days at the office, shout and react badly. Later on, he lied in a calculated way about a player....... and Tevez is the one supposedly in the wrong, its completely laughable both, how easily people jumped on the "lets hate Tevez" bandwagon, and how after City's investigation completely failed to substantiate any of Mancini's claims, people still blame Tevez and not the only man who was guilty of ANY wrong doing, or lying and behaving pretty much unlike any other professional manager during a huge game..... Mancini.

Tevez was one of three players he had an argument with that game, and Tevez didn't shout back, he was calm, said very little and didn't react. Dzeko yelled back quite a bit and Zabeleta looked far more agitated than Tevez on the bench.

But hey, thats only what happened, not what the mob mentality wants to have happened.
 
if that is all true then i agree! Tevez is not at fault here. Maybe a little bit for still not warming up again but the damage was mostly done from Manchini though.

Tevez could have just warmed up again to not hear another word from manchini though so for that i feel Tevez is still partly to blame.

I feel the other players shoudl come out of the closet and back Tevez though. Tell the media that Manchini was a idiot that night yelling and swearing at them all but i feel that if they do say the truth, they will get fined by the club.

I can see why the club supported mancini though because at face value, a club should in theory support the manager over a player so that "one player is not bigger then the club" mentality.
 
Tummy said:
So you're seriously saying that you'd pick him over Casillas, Cesar, Neuer, Lloris, Handanovic, Akinfeev, Adler, Stekelenburg, Buffon?

He's most certainly not the best goal keeper in the Premier League.
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I would, none of those keepers bar Neuer for me are close to him at the moment. They might have played for their countries and done really well but i quite frankly couldn't care less if Hart never plays for England again. He is performing consistently at a very high level. I can think of only one keeper that has been similar which is Krul.

In your opinion he isn't ;)


It is regardless of if Tevez was warmed up you do what you are told by the manager? it is from that Mancini and every City fan took that he refused to come on because he didn't follow Mancini's instructions.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Mancini acted unreasonably, the suggestion that Tevez, ready to come on the pitch, and Mancini asking him to warm up...... so he's ready to come on the pitch, that Tevez should have warmed up again is just stupid. if you're ready, you're ready, that is what Mancini was ultimately asking of him. Mancini over reacted, Mancini lied after the game, their investigation did not in any way back up Mancini's original claims, no one heard Tevez refuse to come on the pitch, because he didn't and no one is actually claiming that now. Look around stories and its all now "refused to warm up" and few bother mentioning "because he had already warmed up".
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It's still a refusal to do what you're told by a superior, perhaps Mancini just wanted to psyche the Bayern players out by having Tevez warming up on the sidelines? perhaps he wanted to be 100% sure that Tevez was ready to go on instead of just taking Tevez' word for it? just because he had warmed up once 10mins ago doesn't mean he was ready or give him a right to refuse doing so again.

At the end of the day it's hard for the average person who busts their balls working for £8 an hour to have sympathy for someone earning £2500 an hour and refusing to do a few stretches after spending an hour sat down twiddling his thumbs, it's not like Mancini was asking him to do something outside of his job description.
 
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I hope they let him rot.
He is an arogant **** living on another planet.

So the manager asks him to warm up again, he is a £30mill player, does he know 100% that he is fully warmed up and ready to play and not receive an injury... No-one does, so you do what you are told and warm up again, even if you believe the manager is wrong. By saying no you are basically undermining his decision.

City have the financial clot to let him rot for the rest of his contract and i hope they do, it will be a warning to the rest of the primadonna footballers that they can't just throw their toys out of the pram when they feel the need.
For christs sake this guy was getting paid £200k a week... a WEEK!!!!!!
 
I say let the "dog" come back (which he did yesterday), cause a riot in the changing room just when the team need to be playing together to aim for the title :D

To be fair Dzecko and Aguerro should do more than well enough .....but they are looking a little tired, or certainly the goals arent coming how they were earlier in the season. Just when City need an option on the bench (well to be fair they needed him over Christmas /Jan as well), as much to score as to give the other two a rest from playing 90 mins - the main two are going to be pushed further

Of course Johnson will carry on diving, and Yaya will be back shortly (if he isnt already) from his exertions at the ACoN, so they may well get the required goals from elsewhere on the pitch - but I dont think anyone can argue that city could really do with "another" Tevez right now (just not the one they have lol)
 
How can someone go AWOL from their job for so long and still have it when they come back? Crazy, theres no way he should go back into the city team. I'm pretty sure the guy can't even speak english, still, after being in he country for go knows how long.

The annoying thing is he's a great footballer and I want to see him play here again, the situation is just too far gone.
 
mmj_uk said:
It's still a refusal to do what you're told by a superior, perhaps Mancini just wanted to psyche the Bayern players out by having Tevez warming up on the sidelines? perhaps he wanted to be 100% sure that Tevez was ready to go on instead of just taking Tevez' word for it? just because he had warmed up once 10mins ago doesn't mean he was ready or give him a right to refuse doing so again.

At the end of the day it's hard for the average person who busts their balls working for £8 an hour to have sympathy for someone earning £2500 an hour and refusing to do a few stretches after spending an hour sat down twiddling his thumbs, it's not like Mancini was asking him to do something outside of his job description.
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yet you have sympathy for Mancini who is making a similar amount, and lets not forget, you're forgiving and ignoring the fact that Mancini was unprofessional in his behaviour with three separate players and lied on camera causing a club investigation which in any other area/career, would have found Mancini guilty of lying and probably punished or fired him. Luckily for Mancini a manager has a "system" he is building and a new manager might play an entirely different system, want radical changes, blaming one player(for something Mancini didn't accuse him of) was much easier than getting rid of Mancini.

Let's also not forget, again a reasonable manager NOT in the middle of an argument would, lets go with coffee, ask for a cup of coffee, response, I've made one, reasonable response "oh yeah, sorry, I forgot, let me tell you what I want next".

Macini's response...... blow up, argue, shout, shout at many different people. He's a manager, if he wants more than a standard warm up from Tevez....... he should ask for it, its that simple. Tevez simply said he'd warmed up, nothing more or less, he did not start screaming, he didn't make a list of things he refused to do, Mancini had already been in an argument when he asked him to do something...... that Tevez had already done. At which point Mancini could have said, well because of that muscle tweak last week I want you to warm up 10 mins longer to minimise the chance of injury, or okay you're ready to go on then.

Mancini asked him to do something he'd already done, Mancini was already mid argument and Mancini cut off communication with Tevez, not the other way around.


Sorry but if my boss asked me to make coffee, forgot and asked me again I'm not going to make a new cup of coffee if there is a fresh one on his desk and he's just forgotten its there, I'll tell him. If he then wants to tell me that first cup of coffee was crap and wants another one, I'll consider it, its called communication.

Mancini has simply been in the wrong at every single stage, talk about money, why is it okay for someone on Mancini's wage to lie about one of his employee's, its okay to lie about Tevez because Tevez makes a big wage, does that really make sense? A manager in any business lying about one of his employee's, sorry but that isn't EVER the employee's fault.
 
I am sorry but lets get this straight, Mancini was mid argument with Dzeko when he comes off, he then shouts at Tevez who refuses to do what he asks which is to warm up again regardless of if he had already or not.

If Tevez had any clue he would stand up and think **** this i am going to get away from what is going on and go warm up as i have been told as i don't want to cause a big scene here so will go out on the sidelines and do some very light stretching to satisfy him. He didn't and so Mancini/reporters/fans/pundits see this as refusing to do what you are told.

You keep saying about this coffee thing but personally if my boss said that this coffee is rubbish i would go and do it again. Not because i am a weak person or a suck up but because i have been asked to do so by someone who has more "power".

If i made one for a mate down at football and he turned around and said he didn't like it i would tell him to stick it and go get his own.


At the end of the day, I believe that Tevez refused the instructions of Mancini for whatever reason and as a City fan I have the right to be angry at this because no player should refuse to do what they are told by the manager. Also it isn't the first thing he has done and wasn't even the last so when this situation arises I am sure Mancini couldn't wait to chop him down because of it.

Tevez can say what he likes about Mancini and so on but i will back Mancini and the club to the hilt.
 
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As an outsider, this situation has gotten so far out of hand it's shocking.

What's made it worse is how fast fans and the media have turned on him. Disregarding what did/didn't happen, he is a genuinely world class player, so you'd think having him in the team is going to strengthen your attack.

If it were me, and I was determined to get-rid, I'd use him to win the league and flog him on. Yes, I wouldn't like it but such is life.

Give him to Swansea on a free transfer if you don't want him anymore :p
 
Old@Heart said:
Then you have De Gea on the other hand who is seemingly another flop according to the media and pundits out there but from what I've seen, bar a couple of particular incidents, seems to have pulled off some pretty special saves in his short stay with United.
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But then what can Liverpool fans say in response when we talk about Andy Carroll? :confused: :p
 
Biz.Kid09 said:
http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Team-news/2012/February/Carlos-Tevez-apologises-for-recent-conduct

Sorry Carlos but i don't believe that you really are sorry and this is released through gritted teeth.

Thanks for the goals and memories but i can't wait to see the back of you this summer.
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Why would it matter if his apology was genuine or not? At City, United, and elsewhere he had problems off the pitch but still managed to regularly churn match-winning performances.

The only pragmatic reason to keep him out of the squad is if you believe his inclusion would have a detrimental effect on the rest of the squad's morale.
 
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