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We're an Island, we should be developing tidal power generation.

We should be heavily investing in new nuclear power stations, and pouring money towards research (things like pebble bed reactors in the short term, fusion in the very long term). Supplement this with tidal/wind/hydro power.

As for the "power cuts" "idea" how does the OP propose that something like a fridge/freezer/electric shower etc would work on the day off?
 
Pretty sure there are a lot of dreamers in this thread.
Wave the magic research stick and all probems will be fixed, quickly.

The power cuts idea is just stupid and would be a backwards step for mankind. All of this because a very old plant was hit by a mega earthquake and then a (large) tsunami.

We should be embracing the newer nuclear plants, not crying about Chernobyl.
 
Thinking out aloud here, but is there a way of using a large funnel to collect wind and then push it through a turbine?

I've always thought the current design of wind turbines can't be that efficient as you have to have several hundred of them to make a decent amount of electricity. Surely if you concentrate wind it you wouldn't need so many generators hence would be more cost effective?
 
Thinking out aloud here, but is there a way of using a large funnel to collect wind and then push it through a turbine?

I've always thought the current design of wind turbines can't be that efficient as you have to have several hundred of them to make a decent amount of electricity. Surely if you concentrate wind it you wouldn't need so many generators hence would be more cost effective?

I'm not an aerodynamics expert but wouldn't funneling wind just lower the pressure at the choke? I.e. as the speed of the wind goes up towards the turbine, the pressure at the turbine actually reduces.

Even if you got more energy per turbine, you'd be using enough materials in the funnel to build three more 'normal' wind turbines.

Also the same amount of energy that goes into the funnel must come out, so it would be cheaper to build a tower with equivalently larger blades, not to mention that it would be higher in the air and therefore able to capture stronger winds.
 
Aside from the frankly impossible levels of international cooperation/governments willing to put their entire country's economy/operation in the hands of foreign governments/groups who will inevitably use it to blackmail the others.

or if it all hits the fan use their supply for themselves and **** the rest off.

You mean like we buy electricity off France and oil & gas is piped through a load of un -stable countries. There is little difference than existing infrastructure. The EU is becoming tighter and the borders are slowly being dissolved.

Molten salts are being favoured over oil now - they're not flammable, they're less toxic and they'll go to higher temperatures.

Can you give me an example of a CSP plant that generates all through the night? Last time I looked they didn't go all the way through the night, only into the night. Maybe molten salts made enough of a difference.
The new molten salt power stations being built are designed to lag production by 6hours to coincide with peak electrical usage, they can however store the heat for upto a week.
 
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You mean like we buy electricity off France and oil & gas is piped through a load of un -stable countries. There is little difference than existing infrastructure. The EU is becoming tighter and the borders are slowly being dissolved.

there's always the option of buying fro mothers though and a nice big delay.

from the plans for these "smart grids" the majority of our power would currently be coming from Libya and Egypt right now.....
 
What will likely happen in the near future is that any country that isn't developed will fall into decline or at best stay at the same level as they are unable to meet energy demands. Only the developed countries that have the means to dominate the resource market thru economic or military means will be able to move ahead. For example countries like Brazil, India, and China, may be moving ahead rapidly for the moment, but in the not to distant future they will likely fall behind. Sure China may seem imposing with their vast military, but they have very little ability to project force beyond their borders.

As countries decline, populations will shrink, and energy needs shrink with it. As long as we don't totally destroy ourselves the developed nations will continue to prosper, as the less developed get left behind. Fair it is not, but when push comes to shove the West will win out.

In keeping with the theme of this thread to me Solar/Wind/Tidal are nice but they are just niches. Unless radical methods are suddenly developed these energy sources will just remain on the fringe. Fossil fuels and Nuclear are the only viable alternatives. Perhaps one day when the dream of cheap, boundless, energy comes true in the form of Fusion or even something startrekky like Matter/Anti-matter becomes available then the balance will shift back to fairness for all. Until then thou the developed will continue forward, and the less developed will fall to the wayside.
 
there's always the option of buying fro mothers though and a nice big delay.

from the plans for these "smart grids" the majority of our power would currently be coming from Libya and Egypt right now.....

We are talking 40 years away, we still need immediate power. It's also up to us how much power we buy. There's no reason not to use EU renewables and some of our own nuclear.

People say security, but if you look at where our power comes from, it is from unstable countries. We use far more oil power than we do electric atm.
 
Can someone shed some light on the breakdown of what power we use and where it comes from?

like as an example:

Wind 5% - location?
Solar 5% - location?
Gas 15% - location?
nuclear 75% - location of all nuclear plants in UK?

...That might be asking a lot but just wondered if any of you guys had this kind of info to hand?
 
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Can someone shed some light on the breakdown of what power we use and where it comes from?

like as an example:

Wind 5% - location?
Solar 5% - location?
Gas 15% - location?
nuclear 75% - location of all nuclear plants in UK?

...That might be asking allot but just wondered if any of you guys had this kind of info to hand?

It's something like 80% Fossil fuels, 15% nuke and the rest renewables.

Also pleease stop saying allot. It's not a word! :p

Edit - from wikipedia

Oil: 38.0%
Natural gas: 37.7%
Coal: 16.7%
Nuclear power: 5.8%
Renewable: 1.8%.

Well that was from 2007 so I'm not sure how things will have changed. I imagine slightly less fossil, a bit more nuke and a bit more renewables.
 
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Can someone shed some light on the breakdown of what power we use and where it comes from?

like as an example:

Wind 5% - location?
Solar 5% - location?
Gas 15% - location?
nuclear 75% - location of all nuclear plants in UK?

...That might be asking allot but just wondered if any of you guys had this kind of info to hand?

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Location of plants can be had from wiki.
 
It's something like 80% Fossil fuels, 15% nuke and the rest renewables.

Edit - from wikipedia

Oil: 38.0%
Natural gas: 37.7%
Coal: 16.7%
Nuclear power: 5.8%
Renewable: 1.8%.

Oil is no where near that high. It's a tiny tiny percentage and if it included all energy usegae I would expect oil to be a larger percentage.

Uk electrical makeup is:
Gas 47.7%
Coal 25.8%
Nuclear 18.0%
Renewables 6.6%
Other 1.9%
 
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