The Conroe 3d benchmark thread.

easyrider · 3 Jul 2006 at 09:25

Stelly said:
not as impressive as I thought it would be to be honest with you

Stelly

There is plenty left in my conroe and I should see massive gains again at 3.8ghz.

Just not had time to tweak

Look at this way,

I backed up a DVD in DVD shrink last night to compare it with my opty 170.
In the first pass of DVD analysis I would get around 430 FPS analysis framrate with the 170,

I get well over 1000 FPS with my conroe @ 3.1ghz.

So after more tweaking and reaching speeds of 3.6ghz-3.8ghz this conroe is gonna be one scary fast frame cruncher in daily encoding tasks! :eek:

And as I do a lot of video editing etc... It will leave the 170 for dust!

Also never mind my ram is runnning underclocked at 1:1,only when I am running at 3.6ghz will my DDR 2 be running at stock speeds so there is more to come on the conroe front from my rig.

w3bbo · 3 Jul 2006 at 11:57

Thanks for that. I'm just stuck 'in the middle' now...sell my opty rig now and get better £'s for it or stick with it until I start feeling the performance hit then sell for less £'s.

My PSU blew the other night (enermax 620w) so I may have to go with conroe regardless, if my opty has gone with it which I won't know until my new psu arrives. If its the mobo I may buy that expert off you

bah...decisions decisions :confused:

Stelly · 3 Jul 2006 at 12:38

easyrider said:
There is plenty left in my conroe and I should see massive gains again at 3.8ghz.

Just not had time to tweak

Look at this way,

I backed up a DVD in DVD shrink last night to compare it with my opty 170.
In the first pass of DVD analysis I would get around 430 FPS analysis framrate with the 170,

I get well over 1000 FPS with my conroe @ 3.1ghz.

So after more tweaking and reaching speeds of 3.6ghz-3.8ghz this conroe is gonna be one scary fast frame cruncher in daily encoding tasks!

And as I do a lot of video editing etc... It will leave the 170 for dust!
Also never mind my ram is runnning underclocked at 1:1,only when I am running at 3.6ghz will my DDR 2 be running at stock speeds so there is more to come on the conroe front from my rig.

Thanks that perked me up a little

Stelly

Scoobie Dave · 3 Jul 2006 at 14:05

w3bbo said:
Thanks for that. I'm just stuck 'in the middle' now...sell my opty rig now and get better £'s for it or stick with it until I start feeling the performance hit then sell for less £'s.

I know what you mean, this is what I keep thinking about. . .

Sir Random · 3 Jul 2006 at 15:22

A guy at Guru3D benched a few games with an Opteron 165 @ 3Ghz vs. a Conroe 6600 @ 3Ghz:

Guru3D said:
FEAR Stress Test:
1024x768, 4xAA 16xAF, all max:

Opteron 165 @ 3GHz: Min 60 | Avg 142 | Max 370
Conroe 6600 @ 3GHz: Min 78 | Avg 162 | Max 485

1600x1200, 4xAA 16xAF, all max:

Opteron 165 @ 3GHz: Min 25 | Avg 43 | Max 172
Conroe 6600 @ 3GHz: Min 53 | Avg 86 | Max 310

-------------------------------

Source Stress Test:
1600x1200, 4xAA 16xAF, Everything Maximum
Opteron 165 @ 3GHz: 134.15fps
Conroe 6600 @ 3GHz: 138.41fps

--------------------------------

Call of Duty 2: Point DuHoc Assault until over the cliffs
1600x1200, 4xAA 8xAF, Everything Maximum

Opteron 165 @ 3GHz: Min 23 | Avg 50.189 | Max 102
Conroe 6600 @ 3GHz: Min 22 | Avg 50.961 | Max 98

--------------------------------

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
1600x1200, Full HDR, 8xAF, Everything Maximum
This FRAPS run was taken from the very beginning of the game, up until the time that the king leaves you.

Opteron 165 @ 3GHz: Min 15 | Avg 83.993 | Max 689
Conroe 6600 @ 3GHz: Min 29 | Avg 132.776 | Max 1546

http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=1784893&postcount=1

The FEAR and Oblivion fps are amazing. I'm really looking forward to replaying Oblivion in max detail at obscene framerates

Mr Jones · 3 Jul 2006 at 15:31

Sir Random said:
A guy at Guru3D benched a few games with an Opteron 165 @ 3Ghz vs. a Conroe 6600 @ 3Ghz:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=1784893&postcount=1

The FEAR and Oblivion fps are amazing. I'm really looking forward to replaying Oblivion in max detail at obscene framerates

Aye...
I've only played like 5hrs of Oblivion, I've managed to stop and not touch it (like a drug) and hope my new rig can give me the desired experience the game should be played.

Stelly · 3 Jul 2006 at 16:34

Sir Random said:
A guy at Guru3D benched a few games with an Opteron 165 @ 3Ghz vs. a Conroe 6600 @ 3Ghz:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=1784893&postcount=1

The FEAR and Oblivion fps are amazing. I'm really looking forward to replaying Oblivion in max detail at obscene framerates

Those are some nice results

Stelly

Devious · 3 Jul 2006 at 22:27

3D Mark 2001 SE

E6600 @ 3.8 Ghz
X1900XT @ stock
Single channel Ram

47627 marks

I having trouble overclocking my gfx card with Ati tool anywhere near my clocks on my previous opty system. Not sure whether its the new Cats 6.6 or this system atm. Will play more tomorrow.

Psycho Sonny · 4 Jul 2006 at 01:21

<maddness> said:
i posted in the other thread before, but probably better suited here

single 7900gtx, 1gb ddr2

Yonah 2600 @ 3Ghz (dual channel mem)
(231x13 dual channel)
3Dmark 01 39345
3Dmark 03 25233
3Dmark 05 11936
3Dmark 06 6715
Pi 1mb 20.750

Conroe 6600 @ 2.4Ghz (single channel mem)
(266x9 single channel)
3Dmark 01 38907
3Dmark 03 25721
3Dmark 05 11312
3Dmark 06 6482
Pi 1mb 22.422

Conroe 6600 @ 2.97Ghz (single channel mem)
330x9 (single channel)
3Dmark 01 42753
3Dmark 03 26063
3Dmark 05 11422
3Dmark 06 6576
Pi 1mb 19.453

i thought conroe was gonna kill everything in its path but from all the hype, it is nothing special, put it this way how old is amd's X2's range a year? How much of an improvement do you expect to see in processing power over a year lets say 25% then conroe is in line with this, next year amd will release something that is 25% better than conroe, will there really be this much hype for it?

silversurfer · 4 Jul 2006 at 01:29

Even if it was 10x faster you wouldnt nessecerily see it outside of cpu specific benchmarks, even superpi there is single threaded. Cpu development has outpaced everything else, thats all these tests prove, only people who encode a lot should bother rushing to upgrade with this cpu imo

nikebee · 4 Jul 2006 at 01:30

Psycho Sonny said:
i thought conroe was gonna kill everything in its path but from all the hype, it is nothing special, put it this way how old is amd's X2's range a year? How much of an improvement do you expect to see in processing power over a year lets say 25% then conroe is in line with this, next year amd will release something that is 25% better than conroe, will there really be this much hype for it?

your missing the point in that X2 may be 1 year old, but AMD have just released AM2 and its nowhere near as big of an improvement compared to Conroe over current *gen* processors.

Psycho Sonny · 4 Jul 2006 at 04:02

nikebee said:
your missing the point in that X2 may be 1 year old, but AMD have just released AM2 and its nowhere near as big of an improvement compared to Conroe over current *gen* processors.

AM2 isnt new technology though is it? its like an old dog which has been given a new trick, whereas conroe is new technology, AM2 is basically like when a car manufacturer introduces a new model to its current series lets take BMW for example. Their fastest 3 series used to be the M3 but now they have just intoduced the 3.5 litre which is faster but it isnt a completely new car, just an engine which has been tweaked, if you want to get technical the engine is bored to 3.5 litres i think but in actual fact it is only like a 2 litre, conroe on the other hand is completely new they have dumped their old styling and gotten rid of netburst and lowered their clock speeds, a whole new different everything, AM2 is 939 with ddr2 and therefore only has a 5% increase, thats why all their chips still have the same name as their 939 counterparts, so please tell me how i am missing the point? woohoo its faster but that was expected would you not think so? It is far from amazing though, but maybe these benchmarks arent showing its real power, but if a 5.1 ghz conroe does super pi in under 10 secs does anyone know what a 5.1 GHZ AM2 or 939 would do super pi in? im pretty sure it would be close or maybe even faster if anyone could do it?

Scoobie Dave · 4 Jul 2006 at 08:46

Devious said:
3D Mark 2001 SE

E6600 @ 3.8 Ghz
X1900XT @ stock
Single channel Ram

47627 marks

Very nice score mate.

Have you tried pushing your cpu further?

easyrider · 4 Jul 2006 at 09:14

silversurfer said:
Even if it was 10x faster you wouldnt nessecerily see it outside of cpu specific benchmarks, even superpi there is single threaded. Cpu development has outpaced everything else, thats all these tests prove, only people who encode a lot should bother rushing to upgrade with this cpu imo

Rubbish,

JUst look at the gaming benchmarks dotted around the web thats shows the performance increase with conroe.

easyrider · 4 Jul 2006 at 09:16

Psycho Sonny said:
It is far from amazing though, but maybe these benchmarks arent showing its real power, but if a 5.1 ghz conroe does super pi in under 10 secs does anyone know what a 5.1 GHZ AM2 or 939 would do super pi in? im pretty sure it would be close or maybe even faster if anyone could do it?

The point is amds can't.

Face it conroe is faster by a significant margin.Why can't people just except it!

james.miller · 4 Jul 2006 at 09:35

because people cant except that are wrong, can they easyrider?

ok first off you guys are mentioning single threaded apps - games, superpi ect. as a basis for your argument

It is far from amazing though, but maybe these benchmarks arent showing its real power, but if a 5.1 ghz conroe does super pi in under 10 secs does anyone know what a 5.1 GHZ AM2 or 939 would do super pi in? im pretty sure it would be close or maybe even faster if anyone could do it?

no, what makes you think that? a 3ghz conroe is 25% faster than a 3ghz opteron on averag in games. some games, oblivion for example, are exactly 100% faster on the conroe. doesnt seem like similar performance to me.

SuperPI - 3ghz opteon: ~ 27seconds. 3ghz conroe: ~17.5s

what makes you think an an am2 cpu will magically catch up with a conroe at 5.1ghz? it wont, it'll still get it arse kicked.

Devious · 4 Jul 2006 at 12:30

Scoobie Dave said:
Very nice score mate.

Have you tried pushing your cpu further?

I was running the cpu at 4050 all day on sunday, though that was with 1.575v and Im not sure whats 'too high' with these yet.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=103438

Ive knocked it down to 3.8 for a while to see what my Ram can do and get some benchies done.

Scoobie Dave · 4 Jul 2006 at 12:51

Devious said:
I was running the cpu at 4050 all day on sunday, though that was with 1.575v and Im not sure whats 'too high' with these yet.

I guess you are being a guinea pig for most of us users at the moment!

Tooks · 4 Jul 2006 at 13:01

Psycho Sonny said:
AM2 isnt new technology though is it? its like an old dog which has been given a new trick, whereas conroe is new technology, ......... but if a 5.1 ghz conroe does super pi in under 10 secs does anyone know what a 5.1 GHZ AM2 or 939 would do super pi in? im pretty sure it would be close or maybe even faster if anyone could do it?

Isn't AM2 more like an old dog which has been given a new kennel (940 pin socket), and a new bone to play with? (DDR2)

Also, asking whether a 5.1Ghz AM2 would do super PI in the same time as Conroe isn't really a valid question I think, as the AM2 chip won't do 5.1Ghz.

You may as well ask if a Pentium D 805 could do PI faster at 5.1Ghz, we know it won't run reliably at more than 4Ghz, so the limit of the technology is reached, and it can't do it - full stop!

Conroe moves the game on with its more efficient architecture etc.

Will AMD respond? They absolutely have to, but I don't think it will be within the next 12 to 18 months.

Meantime, nobody's forcing you to buy a Conroe chip, and if you don't think its all that great, and is over hyped, then so be it!!

Me, I'm seriously looking at an X2 chip once I see what the prices are going to do, but then I swing between the manufacturers anyway. Trailing edge, not cutting edge is my upgrade moto!!

DanF · 4 Jul 2006 at 13:30

Psycho Sonny said:
but if a 5.1 ghz conroe does super pi in under 10 secs does anyone know what a 5.1 GHZ AM2 or 939 would do super pi in? im pretty sure it would be close or maybe even faster if anyone could do it?

Rolf

http://www16.big.or.jp/~bunnywk/cgi-bin/superpi.cgi

The top 17 places are all core 2 duo or core duo.
19th place is a P4 clocked to 7.3ghz and only managed it in 17seconds.
Place 37 has an FX55 @ 3.5ghz and 23 seconds, Place 13 has a conroe at 3.5ghz and 14 seconds.

There's quite a few games reviews around showing healthy increases as well, most of the ones that don't show a good increase are usually very GPU limited. A Conroe with a little OC to say 3.5ghz will most likely be very GPU limited for a long time to come.

FX62vConroe Shows some benchies. With say Farcry in high quality you can see that they are all GPU limited, turn it down to low quality and the 2.66ghz conroe romps the OC'ed 3ghz FX62.