Nice. We just build my bro's PC last week. I didn't fancy telling him to pick up a 5800X
Looks like the performance hit with the RTX 3060ti isn’t that much.
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The CPU determines GPU performance. On Nvidia anyway.
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Looks like the performance hit with the RTX 3060ti isn’t that much.
Even with a 3080 I found upgrading from a 3600 to a 5800X made very little difference and with all the latest AAA games the fps was virtually the same. The ones that did get a boost were older titles that would generally already be over 180fps.Nice. We just build my bro's PC last week. I didn't fancy telling him to pick up a 5800X
Much appreciated, I'm sure my brother will appreciate saving a few quid on a premature upgrade too. Thank you.
Soldato
It's a good time to upgrade. Initial ddr5 will be rubbish compared to mid cycle just like ddr4 and it will be expensive. Boards for a whole new platform just the same until mid cycle, just like am4 where people changed initial ryzen boards for 3xxx or 5xxx. Pcie5 is extra cost and a complete waste of time. It's a long wait for mid cycle next gen.
Soldato
Interesting thread, I had no idea there was a difference in how AMD/Nvidia utilities the CPU like this.
hmm looks like i will stick to my gtx 780 seeing as your saying its faster than a 3090
Sorry if this topic upsets you
Soldato
Hmm, yeah interesting this. I'm about to make the jump from a 6700K @4.5 to either 5800/5900X. Wonder if I'll see a decent jump with a 2070S. Mainly hoping for better performance in msfs.
If you go to 9:15 in the video they have the RTX 2080 ti, but yeah seems all Nvidia cards need the highest end system to hit quoted figures.
Caporegime
You don't really need to 5800X with the 2070S, a 5600X will be more than enough, unless you're planing to upgrade to a 3080 at some point with the new CPU.
In general tho i would seriously consider upgrading from the 6700K anyway, its probably on the limit with most things even with the 2070S.
I’ve been playing around with an overclocked
Xeon 1260L v5. With a RDNA Radeon card it’s holding up OK under gaming. Switch to an Nvidia card the and performance tanks.
Obviously the Skylake chip gets taken to the cleaners. But yeah AMD FTW
Soldato
Thanks. Spent the last couple of weeks getting upto speed with new hardware and I agree I think the 5600X for purely gaming sub 4K looks the pick of the punch but I would be looking at upgrading the GPU in a year or so. That's how I've often upgraded in the past. I must admit I'm still pretty pleased with how well it handles the vast majority of my games and I'm more satisfying an itch.
Caporegime
It worked out well for Nvidia back when games were very main thread heavy, a problem with the DX10 / 11 API where it dumped everything on to one thread.
Nvidia got around it with a Scheduler built in to the driver that split the worker thread in to 4, first seen with the GTX 700 series, the problem with that is you're using the CPU to do that work.
AMD took a different approach, they built a thread scheduler in to the GPU its self, those are these "ACE" units or Asynchronous Compute Engine, first seen in GCN 1.2 (Polaris), again 4 of them, the GPU its self is doing all the work.
Wasn't it Hawaii or Tonga? Some GPU named after an island in the Pacific.
Caporegime
Yeah you might be right.
Soldato
In short Nvidia's CPU scheduling is through software, so the driver uses a lot of CPU cycles just to work.
AMD's CPU scheduling on hardware based, its on the GPU its self, so it doesn't use the CPU.
The result of that is if you're running a high end Nvidia GPU with anything but the latest AMD or Intel CPU your performance can be bottlenecked to something that is slower than a mid range AMD GPU.
Nvidia seem to have long used the CPU to make them faster, without them doing the actual work.
hmm looks like i will stick to my gtx 780 seeing as your saying its faster than a 3090
Heh it is only true in specific CPU limited situations outside of any remotely normal situation - if you are playing at the appropriate resolutions and quality settings for any given GPU it won't be an issue. In-fact outside of abnormal situations it can actually be an advantage as certain optimisations or bug fixes are possible being software that aren't so easily achieved with a hardware accelerated alternative.
Did I read that right, in that it suggests a Zen 5 3600 is sufficient if paired with GPUs up to the RTX3070, after which a 5600x would be a better match? And once an appropriate CPU/GPU match is made, the different in performance between AMD and Nvidia is fairly minimal?
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That's relative, if you want high FPS and play on lower resolution, you may be limited by the CPU or if you want RT without DLSS. Or... just simple variation in frame rate in CPU intense areas in some games.