Poll: The death penalty, are you for or against?

The death penalty, are you for or against?

  • For

    Votes: 221 42.6%

  • Against

    Votes: 243 46.8%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 55 10.6%
  • Total voters
    519
RaohNS said:
For it obviously :)

Its a double edged sword. The older generation are all for it pretty much and those 50 or over. Whereas the students are against it.
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Well that's just a lie.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/14050/who-supports-death-penalty.aspx (half way down).

RaohNS said:
On a more direct note:

Justice by its very nature is about vengeance.
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No it isn't, or at the very least it isn't in a modern day society.

RaohNS said:
Why do you see families/the public happy or angered by decisions?

For people like Roy Whiting, Ian Huntley, Kate and Jerry McCann (joking) i don't see the point of part of tax money being spent on them when it could go towards paying to keep a nurse in the job to help someone decent and hardworking.
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Again, the cost of carrying out the death penalty is far greater than putting the person in prison for their life.
Sources have been posted above.
 
So it seems the cheapest way to get an education is to kill someone go in prison and have a nice holiday and be given some degress.
I dont get it, whats the actual downside to killing someone? Seems the ideal thing for a homeless person to do.

All while the rest of us are paying for there bed and board, education. Seems were the ones being punished with worrying about feeding our families and paying bills on time.
 
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What about this then, go watch a video called no, and tell me what you think should be done with those lads? Caution its very disturbing and is one of the reasons my view on this subject is the way it is. Some people just deserve death.

Suggesting that sort of thing on a family-friendly forum, really?
 
robj20 said:
What about this then, go watch a video called no and tell me what you think should be done with those lads? Caution its very disturbing and is one of the reasons my view on this subject is the way it is. Some people just deserve death.
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I wouldn't recommend this so flippantly, people probably shouldn't watch that.
 
elmarko1234 said:
My thoughts exactly :( - I expected better.
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I think we have to be respectful of other peoples opinions if they have reached them in a sensible and informed way. If they are just spouting bile (like some posters) with no proper thought then by all means judge them for it. However if someone has reached their position through independent research, critical thinking and consideration of other viewpoints (as I hope FF has!) then by all means criticise his opinion and try to show him why you think he is wrong but don't throw emotive statements like the above about. It doesn't further the debate at all.
 
Ahleckz said:
I think we have to be respectful of other peoples opinions if they have reached them in a sensible and informed way. If they are just spouting bile (like some posters) with no proper thought then by all means judge them for it. However if someone has reached their position through independent research, critical thinking and consideration of other viewpoints (as I hope FF has!) then by all means criticise his opinion and try to show him why you think he is wrong but don't throw emotive statements like the above about. It doesn't further the debate at all.
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It's not really disrespectful to say you expected better.

If you are accustomed to hearing a rational opinion from somebody it's surprising to hear such an irrational one.

It's not a debate on opinion, one group has strong evidence in favour of using a rehabilitation style system - the other has nothing.

We currently don't do any rehabilitation & have a very high re-offender rate, how can anybody logically say "if we make it even harder, it will go down", when all of the evidence suggests otherwise.

Yes the Nordic regions have different cultures, but people are people - we are not that different, people seem to act like people from other countries are a difference species or something.
 
I'd still say what I said a few posts up, about there being a sizeable criminal underclass in this country. Until they are dealt with then I don't think it matters what kind of penal system we have.
 
Ahleckz said:
I'd still say what I said a few posts up, about there being a sizeable criminal underclass in this country. Until they are dealt with then I don't think it matters what kind of penal system we have.
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Have you considered we may have sizeable criminal underclass because we don't rehabilitate prisoners? - meaning that new criminals get added to the system faster than the rate we rehabilitate them (20% on average).

Don't you see how flawed the argument "We can't put steps in to reduce re-offending because we have too many criminals" is?.

Let's replace the terms with something different.

"We can't put steps in to reduce how often people speed because we have so many people speeding" - you see now?.

We have so many criminals because we don't rehabilitate them.

I agree, we will never get it as good as Norway (in regards to amount of first time offenders) - because our income inequality is too high, poor social mobility, lack of equality of opportunity etc - but we can improve the rehabilitation side of things.
 
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The trouble with rehabilitation is that it only works on those who want to be rehabilitated.

Rehabilitation happens in this country, the problem is that it does not work. It does not work because people see crime as the easier option.

I have nothing against rehabilitation and have argued for its use numerous times. However, what we also need to accept is that we can't have a blanket approach for everyone. Some (a pretty large %age, I'd argue) don't want live life as a 'normal' law abiding person because they know that they can have a much better life thanks to crime. For people like this, a harsh prison regime is the only available option left.
 
Ahleckz said:
The trouble with rehabilitation is that it only works on those who want to be rehabilitated.
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Citation needed.

Ahleckz said:
Rehabilitation happens in this country, the problem is that it does not work. It does not work because people see crime as the easier option.
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Citation needed.

Ahleckz said:
We also need to accept is that we can't have a blanket approach for everyone.
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Citation needed.

Ahleckz said:
Some (a pretty large %age, I'd argue) don't want live life as a 'normal' law abiding person because they know that they can have a much better life thanks to crime. For people like this, a harsh prison regime is the only available option left.
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Citation needed.

If you are going to make broad statements like that, then I expect you to have some evidence to back it up.
 
Ahleckz said:
The trouble with rehabilitation is that it only works on those who want to be rehabilitated.

Rehabilitation happens in this country, the problem is that it does not work. It does not work because people see crime as the easier option.

I have nothing against rehabilitation and have argued for its use numerous times. However, what we also need to accept is that we can't have a blanket approach for everyone. Some (a pretty large %age, I'd argue) don't want live life as a 'normal' law abiding person because they know that they can have a much better life thanks to crime. For people like this, a harsh prison regime is the only available option left.
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Do you have any evidence that rehabilitation doesn't work in the broad sense that you have described.....I would argue the opposite...mainly from a position of experience.

It doesn't work for everyone, in some cases rehabilitation is not the right solutions, in others the method of rehabilitation is counter productive or ineffective...however most people, given the right tools, opportunity, environment and incentives will rehabilitate...our problem in the UK is that rehabilitation in our prisons is very haphazard and rarely accessible.
 
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