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I have yet to see a response from the pro camp to Hamish's last post (#220). I can't imagine they would be deliberately ignoring it.
Poll: The death penalty, are you for or against?
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Caporegime
Really irrational and not in sound mind to make a judgement.
on a basic level i would cry for revenge then a hollow emptiness.
Id rather see them suffer for life in inhumane conditions. leading to their death from starvation or illness.
Thats the other end of the uncivilised scale, arguably much much worse for society than the noose.
I already posted above before seeing your reply how id like murderers to be treated - the crème de la crème of sickos not just your average crime of passion or un meditated. The Class A sickos like Anders Breivik.
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Soldato
No it isn't
Personal vengeance and State justice are two separate things and should be treated as such.
I would kill someone who killed my Son and Wife and the consequences would be immaterial.....whereas I do not support the State having the Death Penalty.
While there is life term imprisonment there is no need for the death penalty except for State sponsored revenge, and I would like to exact my own revenge personally, it is not the business of the State to do it.
Killing someone is a very difficult thing to do, it is easy to talk about it and it is easy to pass on the responsibility to others but I wonder how many of those who advocate the death penalty would be prepared to actually pull the trigger themselves face to face with the guilty party.....what if it was a Woman, or someone the same age as your children, someone begging for their life....do you have the gumption to actually do the deed yourself.......and what exactly does it accomplish?
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Soldato
Lock them up and throw away the key.
It may actually turn out later that they convicted an innocent person (has happened on numerous occasions, especially where the Police blame it on someone who is mentally handicapped).
At least some monetary compensation can be made to the wrongly convicted.
Soldato
If you can't personally put someone to death at the whim of the jury, while the convict protests their innocence, then you shouldn't be for the death penalty.
75 people in favour at time of posting... That is one hell of a disturbing result
What's more irritating are the people who are implying people are 'dumb' or 'retarded' for supporting the death penalty. It's easy for them to vote in an anonymous poll than say what they think here and be vilified for it. I think it's a far more popular view than people seem to think.
I can understand both sides without getting too bothered about it. I think there are some people who are just simply better off dead. They are evil and will always be beyond help. Breivik being a prime example. He's 100% guilty, and shows zero remorse. Due to the nature of what he's done, he can never be allowed back into society - no matter what.
Okay, you can make the argument that people are insane and don't know what they are doing. Yes, that may be true of some people, but maybe that's because people are too frightened to accept the reality that some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't stupid, but he was evil. Breivik doesn't seem stupid, he appears quite intelligent by all accounts, but he's evil.
On the flip side, 100% certain convictions aren't a common occurrence so the use of such a penalty would be very limited. You can say that the state shouldn't have the right to choose who lives and dies, but it's not really like that, they are just removing the threat of a massively dangerous person.
Soldato
Thats right, life sentence is just that, life! not!
I'm against, killing criminals is the easy soloution for a state. It's like health, prevention is better then cure. Finding out and solving why crimes happen or vastly improve arrest rate and time it takes is much better and would improve the state more then capital punishment.
Soldato
The punishment isn't lame, the inability to maintain it and the parole system is.
If a murderer was given life, meaning life, put in a mostly inhumane environment treating them like an animal, that is far more degrading than just killing them.
This is of course all in my own opinion as not to confuse anyone...
Why does prison, or indeed any punishment need to be degrading?
Soldato
1. People who support the death penalty are dumb.
2. Locking them up forever also removes the threat of a dangerous person.
The law can be corrupt, evidence can be faked, trails can be thrown, justice is imperfect, people make mistakes, people can be bribed, jury's can be bias, people are racist/sexist - the death penalty can't exist while the above are still true.
Soldato
indeed.I've still yet to hear a response from the "pro-death penalty" brigade as to what happens when the state executes an innocent man.
Are those responsible executed also?, as the killing of an innocent man is murder - how do you square the reality with the justice fantasy?.
Caporegime
Simple punishment to remove ones privilege of modern society easiest way to remove and alienate them from it is mentally.
Im still talking about murderers here, not a petty thief or opportunist, they can be rehabilitated, taught to behave better.
Obviously we have degrees of murder and im sure thats been discussed at length in previous posts.
edit: I would advocate corporal punishment of war criminals, mass murderers and ideological figureheads to further my rise to power.... i mean.... gotta go !
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Soldato
In the US, it costs more to put someone to death than it does to imprison them for life (and American prison standards are far, far poorer than we have here. That's saying something).
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Very much my view on the subject. I see no issue with it as a sentence but has to be used carefully. In the examples of cases like that of Breivik i see little point in leaving him alive. He is never going to be released so why waste time and money doing so. Generally though imprisonment and rehab etc. Will always be the best course of action but in the very few examples where you have a completely clear cut case i do not see why this could not be used.