The decreasing standards of written English

[BallistixOnZ490]

I can only speak to my experience but I've found being able to write formals in excel based on the maths tutorship in school instrumental to my career. That's only one example. There is absolutely no way I would have had the patience to learn algebra off my own back independently - and hats off to you if you have a love of learning that deep!

You don't need algebra for anything in the real world. Use of excel is something you can learn through in job training. Most kids don't learn how to use Excel by 16, I most surely didn't.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

But you said schooling upto 16 is pointless? Are you now saying year 1 is meaningful but year 2 onwards is pointless?

You can learn to read without going to school. It still isn't paramount to a lot of jobs, as neither is speaking or writing.

Lots of people that can't speak / read / write English still get jobs and make money.

 

[dlockers]

You can learn to read without going to school. It still isn't paramount to a lot of jobs, as neither is speaking or writing.

Lots of people that can't speak / read / write English still get jobs and make money.

Who would teach you if you didn't learn at school?

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Who would teach you if you didn't learn at school?

You can literally teach yourself how to read, write and speak.

Many people already learn new languages themselves.

I met an actual foreign immigrant during my previous jobcentre programmes that had taught himself full fluency in English in under a year.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

You don't need algebra for anything in the real world..

You do if you want to work with numbers.

 

[dlockers]

You can literally teach yourself how to read, write and speak.

Many people already learn new languages themselves.

I met an actual foreign immigrant during my previous jobcentre programmes that had taught himself full fluency in English in under a year.

Ah makes sense. Thanks.

 

[bloodiedathame]

@BallistixOnZ490 you do make a lot of sweeping statements! You're making yourself an easy target.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

You do if you want to work with numbers.

Learn it yourself / get training. If you want to do something you don't need to be taught how to make 10 using addends and such tripe.

 

[Chris Beard]

You don't need algebra for anything in the real world. Use of excel is something you can learn through in job training. Most kids don't learn how to use Excel by 16, I most surely didn't.

I beg to differ - Excel formulas have a LOT in common with algebra and my foundation in mathematics has been crucial to learning on the job fast enough to remain useful. I can only speak for my experience - perhaps I'm unique

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

I beg to differ - Excel formulas have a LOT in common with algebra and my foundation in mathematics has been crucial to learning on the job fast enough to remain useful. I can only speak for my experience - perhaps I'm unique

Nothing stopping you from learning it yourself if you needed to, or getting training when you needed to learn it.

So you need to know algebra for your job, and I guess English.

How did all the other subjects you took help at all?

 

[dlockers]

Learn it yourself / get training. If you want to do something you don't need to be taught how to make 10 using addends and such tripe.

Lol dude, addend is just the definition of the number you are adding to another number. The answer is the sum e.g.
Addend + addend = sum

You can also describe a subtraction equation with a minuend and subtrahend to avoid confusion on which number is subtracting from another:
Minuend - subtrahend = sum

Otherwise how else would you point to the '7' in this equation without saying '7'? Lol - "the big one" I guess.
7-3=10

 

[Chris Beard]

Nothing stopping you from learning it yourself if you needed to.

So you need to know algebra for your job, and I guess English.

How did all the other subjects you took help at all?

Yes, significantly, and to a much greater extent than I gave them credit for when I was 16.

I think the artificial divides you're making between:
- education, training and self learning
- skills that directly are needed in work and those needed outside of work
Don't really align with my experience.

Not only this but I have found that having some basic grounding (preferably on a par or better than those around you) in a topic is what has given me the opportunity, time or inclination to learn further skills.

To put it another way, if I had not learned maths at school no-one would have given me the time I needed to learn excel on the job, I wouldn't have had to patience to do so and I probably would not have had as successful as a career as I've enjoyed. This is only one example - although I have been accused in jest of building a career in the back of excel and PowerPoint.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

But I also know of teachers (still teaching to this day) who really struggle with spelling and are told to get the teaching assistants to proof check their comms to parents, in order to prevent the embarrassment of poor spelling in reports etc.

Did you know spelling is simply a test of recall and totally unrelated to intelligence?

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Lol dude, addend is just the definition of the number you are adding to another number. The answer is the sum e.g.
Addend + addend = sum

You can also describe a subtraction equation with a minuend and subtrahend to avoid confusion on which number is subtracting from another:
Minuend - subtrahend = sum

Otherwise how else would you point to the '7' in this equation without saying '7'? Lol - "the big one" I guess.
7-3=10

Lol dude no valid maths teacher ever uses the word 'addend' or making 10.

You simply call the 7 a 7. Also 7-3 is 4 not 10.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Nothing stopping you from learning it yourself if you needed to, or getting training when you needed to learn it.

So you need to know algebra for your job, and I guess English.

How did all the other subjects you took help at all?

School helps to raise reasonably rounded kids (in terms of intelligence) while giving them the opportunity to go into any career they wish. As they progress through school we slowly specialise them for a career path. This process starts at GCSE.

Other subjects help you to apply critical thinking in those areas/subject matters and in different ways that you may not get from only looking at a singular subject matter.

you talk about learning stuff yourself, i think you will find that most children will have no interest in teaching themselves anything and would rather go out and play.

 

[bloodiedathame]

Nothing stopping you from learning it yourself if you needed to, or getting training when you needed to learn it.

So you need to know algebra for your job, and I guess English.

How did all the other subjects you took help at all?

There is no such thing as 'too educated'.

I do think however that education should be far more rounded and 'real-world' until probably 16/18. By then, you'll have a better idea of what you enjoy, and an understanding of what you are good at (than when you're picking your GCSEs at 14).

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Did you know spelling is simply a test of recall and totally unrelated to intelligence?

I think it also relates to how you learnt a word. I believe you are more likely to spell a word correctly if you learnt it while reading than if you learnt it from speech.

 

[Chris Beard]

Most children will have no interest in teaching themselves anything and would rather go out and play.

I'm an adult, can directly see the value in e-learning that will significantly help my career and this STILL describes me!

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

School helps to raise reasonably rounded kids (in terms of intelligence) while giving them the opportunity to go into any career they wish. As they progress through school we slowly specialise them for a career path. This process starts at GCSE.

Other subjects help you to apply critical thinking in those areas/subject matters and in different ways that you may not get from only looking at a singular subject matter.

you talk about learning stuff yourself, i think you will find that most children will have no interest in teaching themselves anything and would rather go out and play.

The process doesn't work. So many people still cant get jobs despite their education system.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

The media industry had been overtaken by women to such a degree this sort of thing of downplaying men is more and more commonplace.