The decreasing standards of written English

It's just symptomatic of the continued dilution of standards and intelligence.

When you consider that intellect is hereditary and that typically those with a lower intelligence have more children then there's only ever going to be one outcome. Well, at least until either enforced breeding limits or culling is allowed.
The way society, at least in this country, functions it actively protects the dumb and the feckless allowing them to continue producing the dumb and the feckless.
 
Some people only care about the first, but in doing so, they are encouraging others to exhibit similar tardiness and lethargy. The second is good for formal writing, the third is better for creative and academic writing.
I would argue that while the second is not desperately essential for most informal situations, it still puts the author at such a disadvantage that they risk being ignored as a result.
For instance, a simple note on the fridge asking your co-workers not to leave the door open - Not exactly formal, but if it's written without attentiveness, authority or just sufficient sharpness of mind to spell correctly or use capitalisation, no-one is going to pay it any heed.

Everyone makes a few mistakes, and likely more so these days with crappy keyboards like the one I have here, but when everything is below standard it does lower the standing of your posts a bit.

the problem with using music as an analogy is you have everything from Mozart to Megadeth and no real definitive good/bad as it depends entirely on the listener whether they like it or not.
y'know having written that i realise it's a pretty good analogy, carry on......
Yeah, I quite like it, too.

For starters - Before you can play any music, you must learn how to play it. You need to develop a sense of rhythm, you need some rudimentary skills in the manipulation of your instrument, you need the correct technique to make the correct notes actually sound - This is most evident when someone of no previous experience tries to get some notes out of a violin, for example.

Then, once you can make notes sound as they should, you have to learn the rules of music itself. How to string the notes together to make the various bars, which ones work and which ones don't. This may be beats, scales, chords or whatever, but you must first learn the rules before you know which ones you can bend and which ones you can break.

So too with language - Like musical notes, you must first learn what the words are, what they mean and how they are used, before you can start playing around. It's the difference between helping your uncle jack off a horse, and helping your uncle Jack off a horse. If you're not even bothering to either correct minor errors like capitalisation and punctuation, or type them correctly in the first place, how inattentive does it look like you've been with the content of your post? In the same way music sounds bad when played badly, content looks bad when written too poorly.


i suppose dubstep exists so you do have a point.
It's actually a pretty good analogy since Megadeth is highly technically proficient. As far as I understand it, he was talking about music theory and musicality, not music taste.
Actually, he would include music taste as a factor in this.
When talking about the rules of music, my teacher always said there was ultimately only one unbreakable rule of music - It must sound good. Plenty of songs break the rules of musicality, yet are Number One hits around the world because they still sound good. One of my favourites has a signature tune that actually comes from a bum note during rehearsal.

In the same way, you can also break rules of language for similar effect, such as in novels where the nuances of writing a character with an accent come in. ISTR Bram Stoker had a scene where Van Helsing speaks in his own accent, while also imitating that of a working class sailor from Whitby. Not everyone is a fan of Shakespeare, even though he's widely regarded as wielding his words as masterfully as Dave Weckl and Buddy Rich wielded their drumsticks.... and yet, some of the best musicians are the ones who do simple things but get all the basic elements perfect.
 
I would argue that while the second is not desperately essential for most informal situations, it still puts the author at such a disadvantage that they risk being ignored as a result.
For instance, a simple note on the fridge asking your co-workers not to leave the door open - Not exactly formal, but if it's written without attentiveness, authority or just sufficient sharpness of mind to spell correctly or use capitalisation, no-one is going to pay it any heed.
I'm sorry but the days of busy body co-workers taking time out of their employers day to write up these garbage notes are long gone. It has been proven that imposing such rules just rubs people up the wrong way, and a much simpler "respect your colleagues, take care of the kitchen" makes the standards significantly higher.

Speaking from a man who goes to many organisations where writing a note is seen as a "tier 3 escalation" and it is the dumbest thing I ever watch boomers do.

/rant over :D:p
 
No worries. I do agree though, the US does seem to have gone too far in their response to being 'offended'.

As for grammar and spelling; in creative writing, I don't see the problem with 'text-speak' etc. However, if someone is trying to communicate properly (let's say an essay or a formal letter), then an accepted level of spelling and grammar should be upheld.

Creative writing is a different thing - if you are writing characters in a story, you would want the written language to reflect each character's personality. However I'm not talking about this and don't even read such books - you get people 'writing how they talk' in letters, C.Vs, advertisements, essays etc, and from my experience the overwhelming majority of university students believe this is completely fine and shouldn't be corrected, and that was when I went to uni in the early 2000s.

The odd thing with this is when I was at school, English was the only subject I had to take the foundation level in, despite my reading and speaking being above and beyond, and in one of the earlier years my English teacher was beyond impressed with my story writing that she would read my stories to the rest of the class as examples of how they should be written. The marking comments were such as 'Great use of grammar, perfect prose, strong vocabulary' etc etc etc, and my speaking and listening was always right up there too.

Then my upper school just didn't care and just plonked me in set 5 out of 10. I easily worked my way up to set 1 in maths and sciences, but only 4 in English as they only based the latter on stupid IQ type tests of 'fill in the missing word'.

Schools and teachers are pretty much pure ****. I never had any motivation after GCSEs anyway and did poorly in everything after because I simply wasn't bothered anymore. And it turns out it didn't matter because in my experience no employer cares about qualifications, only work experience, and I don't have much of that either.

Only way to get anywhere for real is to have connections. Knowledge doesn't matter and is most definitely not power. No one cares how good or bad your English or Maths skills are. The only thing people will ever get assessed on after education is their productivity, and how much work they get done per hour of pay. No one cares about your education, knowledge or skills in the real world.
 
I'm sorry but the days of busy body co-workers taking time out of their employers day to write up these garbage notes are long gone. It has been proven that imposing such rules just rubs people up the wrong way, and a much simpler "respect your colleagues, take care of the kitchen" makes the standards significantly higher.
Hang on - Who said anything aboiut "imposing rules"??!!
I said they were asking.... If anything, the very vague and subjective woke slogans like "take care of the kitchen" do nothing to highlight what the actual problem is. I can take care of the kitchen just by washing my coffee spoon, but that doesn't solve the fridge door problem.

Speaking from a man who goes to many organisations where writing a note is seen as a "tier 3 escalation" and it is the dumbest thing I ever watch boomers do.
Sounds like you go to a lot of woke organisations that pepper everything with buzzwords... and what the **** is a "Tier 3 escalation" of a minor office problem? Is that not when armed suspects have opened fire? Does it require notifying the bomb squad? Will the company Gold Command issue an emergency protocol?
I dread to think what these people reckon constitutes Tier 1 and 2 actions... Tutting? Muttering under your breath? Moaning about it to someone else?

Out of derisive curiosity - What is the 'accepted' non-boomer solution in your book for such things, then?

from my experience the overwhelming majority of university students believe this is completely fine and shouldn't be corrected, and that was when I went to uni in the early 2000s.
Sorry, but what university students believe and how the world actually works are very often totally different.

Only way to get anywhere for real is to have connections. Knowledge doesn't matter and is most definitely not power. No one cares how good or bad your English or Maths skills are. The only thing people will ever get assessed on after education is their productivity, and how much work they get done per hour of pay. No one cares about your education, knowledge or skills in the real world.
You reckon?
Come work at our place... You won't (and really wouln't want to) find yourself in senior management, sure, but you'll certainly make progress if you have knowledge or skills and in many roles the education element is actually a legal requirement.
 
Who said anything about being a manager?

I cant even be a ******* typist without 2 years IT experience and 2x2 year references.

Been combing over indeed and total jobs the last few days, every tom dick and harry job needs a minimum of 2 years prior experience, basically just copying each others requirements for the fun of it.

Only way to get a job is to make up that you have the required experience if you don't, which most applicants really wouldn't have.

No one cares how good or bad you write or talk, or however much education you have, none of that matters to a single employer on every job site!
 
Hang on - Who said anything aboiut "imposing rules"??!!
I said they were asking.... If anything, the very vague and subjective woke slogans like "take care of the kitchen" do nothing to highlight what the actual problem is. I can take care of the kitchen just by washing my coffee spoon, but that doesn't solve the fridge door problem.

Okay I'll bite this once, as much as I hate the multi-quote post breakdown nonsense and shouting at the clouds.

Firstly, if you work in a place where folk need to be reminded the fridge doors must be shut then either 1) you are in a very unfortunate set of circumstances (colleague wise) and the only note that needs writing is your CV/resignation; or 2) you need to buy a new fridge.

multi quote master posterr said:
Sounds like you go to a lot of woke organisations that pepper everything with buzzwords... and what the **** is a "Tier 3 escalation" of a minor office problem? Is that not when armed suspects have opened fire? Does it require notifying the bomb squad? Will the company Gold Command issue an emergency protocol?
I dread to think what these people reckon constitutes Tier 1 and 2 actions... Tutting? Muttering under your breath? Moaning about it to someone else?

"Tier 3 escalation" is what I imagine boomer Colin's and Karen's call the threat level above tutting and muttering. Normally old fogies who must have their specific desk each day and must have tea and coffee available and can't fathom not having a work locker for their crap they insist on bringing to work. They spend more time raging about the note than the initial problem in the first place. They have bred the current generation of "wokies" yet see that as a societal problem despite said boomers literally creating this generation :p.

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Out of derisive curiosity - What is the 'accepted' non-boomer solution in your book for such things, then?
I already said. Notes that point to rules are less effective than a single note that briefly reminds your colleagues to respectful to others. I mean, they are paid to work, not to close doors, right?
 
Regarding this fridge door, why not adjust it so the front of the fridge is higher than the back of the fridge and gravity will assist closure. Some fridges have adjustable feet but you may have to fold some cardboard and lay it under the front.
 
It's commas.

I SO wanted to post that, but I had a vision of a battery of Flammenwerfers being aimed squarely at me.
There used to be two industrial units behind St. Pancras Station, one had a sign “Radiator’s for sale”, the other had “Mirror’s for sale, all sizes.”
I found a flyer in my mailbox recently, it advertised kitchen and bathroom fitting and decorating.
Apparently their speciality was built in WALLDROBES.
 
No one cares how good or bad you write or talk, or however much education you have, none of that matters to a single employer on every job site!
Do me a favour, then, and stay away from my work sites... Good writing, good speech and good knowledge matter to me, my crews, my engineers, and our 17 million customers.

Firstly, if you work in a place where folk need to be reminded the fridge doors must be shut then either 1) you are in a very unfortunate set of circumstances (colleague wise) and the only note that needs writing is your CV/resignation; or 2) you need to buy a new fridge.
And secondly.....?
There was a firstly, so there should at least be a secondly....

Whether a fridge door or something else, it's still just asking politely people to stop something being a problem.
I don't think there's a single workplace in this country where people wouldn't need reminding of such things. Same for all the H&S posters everywhere, since those are all things you'd expect people to know anyway and are almost certainly things they've been trained to do, yet there are still posters about working from height or lifting boxes correctly...

"Tier 3 escalation" is what I imagine boomer Colin's and Karen's call the threat level above tutting and muttering.
Oh, you mean you made it up? It's not actually a real thing? OK, I'll just disregard it, then.

As for this whole 'Boomers' rant - You'll find that it's actually the subsequent generations rebelling against the solid, structured Boomer work ethic that has led to the self-entitled millenial attitude, which subsequently birthed the modern woke culture. Boomers are barely even around any more. The woke are mostly the kids of Gen X and Gen Y, bu there are not a few of those Gens who are also adopting the wokishness and self-entitlement for themselves.

As is, there's nothing wrong with having your own desk, as it lends a degree of consistency and stability to your workplace. Otherwise every day is just a lefty liberal woke bun-fight over the good desks and then cry-bully bitching about the office bullies who always win them.
Work lockers become necessary (industry-dependent) as you progress along the career path and acquire various books, kit and associated accessories, at least until you're senior enough to get your own private office.
Tea and coffee is nice if you like it, but not something to begrudge others if you don't. Plenty don't like the brands provided and bring their own. What's your issue with that? Not everyone works within practical range of a woke coffee bar serving double-grande-cappu-frappu-mocha-chocca-chino-chai-soy-latte....

I already said. Notes that point to rules are less effective than a single note that briefly reminds your colleagues to respectful to others. I mean, they are paid to work, not to close doors, right?
You said it's been proven - Do you have any proof of this?
Moreover, what "rules" do you think are being pointed out here, exactly? At worst, it's pointing to the common courtesy and social convention of not being an inconsiderate *****.

Simply saying "be nice" does nothing to address any specific problem. If it did, we'd not have stacks of books thick with all the laws of the country, there'd just be a plaque with those two words.
If it did, we'd not need Black Lives Matter, or any of the other movements that seek to address specific causes.
This thread is about language and effective communication - Telling people stop doing wrong does nothing unless you also tell them what they're doing wrong.

Regarding this fridge door, why not adjust it so the front of the fridge is higher than the back of the fridge and gravity will assist closure. Some fridges have adjustable feet but you may have to fold some cardboard and lay it under the front.
It doesn't work if the door has too much weight in, such as being recently filled with milk, or if it is open beyond the balance point which is usually around 30º.
But more importantly, why does an environment have to be designed to cater for, pander to and encourage the behaviour of a few people being lazy, careless and inconsiderate? You should raise them up to your level, not drag everything else down to their lowest common denominator.
 
I remember when I needed to phone HSBC customer service once.

All I heard was 'GOBBELDY GOBBELDY GOBBLEDY? GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLEDY'.

God damn most unintelligible Welsh accent you could ever imagine.

What if you can speak perfect English but you sound like Limmy? I've watched his videos for years and still can't understand a word.

These people need a good dose of chant reading and vowel placement vocal exercises.
 
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No one cares about your education, knowledge or skills in the real world.

My education, knowledge and skills allow me to be very efficient and very skilled at what I do. I'm very productive because of these things and because of my experience.

I totally appreciate its hard to get experience though. I'm not sure I could get a job in retail (for example) because I've never even stacked shelves.

What can you do Ballistix, you said you had a degree, what's it in?
 
My education, knowledge and skills allow me to be very efficient and very skilled at what I do. I'm very productive because of these things and because of my experience.

I totally appreciate its hard to get experience though. I'm not sure I could get a job in retail (for example) because I've never even stacked shelves.

What can you do Ballistix, you said you had a degree, what's it in?

Mate retail is the only job you can get without any prior experience, and maybe cafe / fast food / waiting tables.

And that makes up 100% of my work history.

The less I say about my useless degree the better. I regret ever going to uni, waste of time, 90%+ of students graduate with a useless piece of bum wiping paper as I did.

'I make youtube videos and my own music'

Sorry, not enough I.T experience.

Like a gamer lacks I.T experience.

Also no level of education can make me more productive, my body is a failure.

If I had sufficient connections I could easily be a voice actor. But good luck becoming anything like that all on your own.
 
Mate retail is the only job you can get without any prior experience, and maybe cafe / fast food / waiting tables.

And that makes up 100% of my work history.

The less I say about my useless degree the better. I regret ever going to uni, waste of time, 90%+ of students graduate with a useless piece of bum wiping paper as I did.

'I make youtube videos and my own music'

Sorry, not enough I.T experience.

Like a gamer lacks I.T experience.

Also no level of education can make me more productive, my body is a failure.

If I had sufficient connections I could easily be a voice actor. But good luck becoming anything like that all on your own.

So what are your skills then? Loads of jobs out there if you know the right people ;)
 
Hence it's given rise to ever increasing levels of vanity and self absorption i.e. a generation of social media addicts.

This has given rise to the likes of school mum's shopping at supermarkets in their pyjamas and slippers because they have this deluded belief because of television and mix of feminist attitudes that it's okay to be an entitled slobby mare and no one is going to tell them otherwise, least of all a man.

If you've ever noticed adverts today on TV, so many are from the perspective of a woman and give them all the focus, and quite often men are used as the butt of the joke. One that comes to mind is this:

Another more recent ad,

The bloke is once again given a role that undermines him and puts all emphasis on the woman. I mean imagine an advert with the gender roles reversed and it was a blonde girl and the person insults her intelligence as some form of joke, it has just wouldn't happen now, but somehow men are fair game in this world of double standards.

Chuckled at this, but actually your on the money. I passively thought this of the second advert you mentioned when it came out, its only now you highlighted it that it would be prime fodder on Loose women if these roles were reversed and epitomises how the sexism has flipped.
 
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