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I think this is a point that needs clearing up, I've heard reports that the dog was tied up by the bench, I've heard reports the dog was by the water, do we actually know which is which?
The disappearance of Nicola Bulley
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I think this is a point that needs clearing up, I've heard reports that the dog was tied up by the bench, I've heard reports the dog was by the water, do we actually know which is which?
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Umm, Rachel Nickell, Wimbledon Common?
We don't know how good the CCTV coverage is of the area. I have CCTV cameras and whenever anything happens in the area we find out who else as CCTV. Not many people do. The ones that do are scattered around.
They haven't cordoned off the area. So they haven't looked for forensic evidence on the ground.
The main point I'm making is that the police haven't got any evidence to support their theory, so why only focus on that one possibility?
At the moment they don't seem to have any evidence of anything. That's my complaint. That they have zoomed in on one theory and not bothered to keep an open mind.
At the start I would have cordoned off the area. Get sniffer dogs in. Put some kind of grid across the river further down to stop any large items from flowing past.
I'd have searched the area.
I'm not happy to point criticism. I'm questioning why all other possibilities have been dismissed so early.
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The dog was free, as lead was on the bench, the harness was on the floor.
As i said earlier, it took 2 months to find the body of someone near me.
That was a stream/river that most of the time is only an average of ~30cm deep, at the time he fell in it was around a meter from memory, they were able to walk it before they found the body (I can't remember if it was the police that found it or a member of the public spotted something), the first couple of searches where divers.
The river in this case is I believe tidal and hits the sea within about 8 miles that's going to make any search much harder.
You only need about an inch of water to drown in, and "some places it's only 18 inches deep" is still more than deep enough to carry a body assuming it ever actually hits those shallow bits, and they were that shallow at the time.
Even in still water like a lake it can take a long time to find a body, and even if you do a really methodical area search (police divers are trained for this) you can miss something because visabilty can be effectively zero just a few inches under the surface which means you're relying on touch, hence one of the reasons you search the same area multiple times. With moving water it's even worse as you can search somewhere and within minutes the water could have shifted something.
If the dog was off the harness it's entirely possible it had wondered off and was busy sniffing the bum of another dog a hundred yards away and not noticed her going into the water whilst looking for him in it.
Now you're just making things up.
From the BBC article today:
"Detectives said they were "as confident as we can be that Nicola has not left the field where she was last seen, and our working hypothesis is that she has fallen into the river for some reason".
"Our investigation remains open and we will of course act on any new information which comes to light.""
Literally the exact opposite of what you're claiming.
In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, they're focusing their investigation into the most likely scenario - your argument would seem to suggest they shouldn't be doing investigation until they have a reason to investigate
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The dog was found by the main road, so its unlikely to have been tied up.
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This is not plausible, if the dog wondered off, she would have just called for the dog. Even if it didn't come back straight away, there is still no need to get in the water.
They have already said, there is no signs of anyone slipping or sliding down the embankment area by the water.
To me that would sound like she had stopped to take call, sat on bench, took lead and harness off dog so it could run around. Was there a ball? can't remember from the reports. Maybe throwing ball for dog, ball goes in long grass near river. Dog can't get it, she puts phone down to get ball and falls in trying to get it.
The police saying no evidence to say she fell in, not sure what they would look for, skid marks down a bank maybe? but if she was leaning to get ball you just go in head first so there wouldn't be any evidence/marks of falling in.
We had a springer. Loved nothing more than balls to play with and the water. Our other dog actually fell in the river once and it was our springer that dived into the cold water (6 foot drop minimum) to show her the way our, otherwise i was going in. It was not looking good at one point.
Not saying all springers are the same, but that's how ours was.
Not saying all springers are the same, but that's how ours was.
"Extensive and thorough searches of the river and footpaths by specialist police search teams and partner agencies including HM Coastguard, mountain rescue and Lancashire Fire and Rescue Service. Resources have included specialist search dogs, drone, police helicopter and divers. These searches are continuing."
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"Our investigation remains open and we will of course act on any new information which comes to light."
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Umm, she was attacked and killed by someone with a knife, died on scene where she was found shortly after.
It’s completely different because there was a body in plain sight.
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I hope you're giving him food, water, and a bucket at least
Personally I think they'll find him hanging in a forest. But as he's not a 40ish yummy mummy the police don't see it as any kind of priority, just a missing person.
Kind of like a madeline copy isn't it.
I don't know how many people go missing but it is a bit weird why this one is getting so much publicity?
Anyone know?
According to the family friends today, she always took its harness off and they dont give the dog a ball when out with the dog because the dog gets overprotective of the ball. So if thats the case then the harness being off is no surprise and was the norm and she wouldnt have had a ball.
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Photo of her from the day she went missing has been released, coat she was wearing was just above knee height and looks fairly insulated, also according to "experts" they have ruled out the possibility of her ending up in the river.
I think at this point they are just flinging **** and hoping for something to stick.
I think at this point they are just flinging **** and hoping for something to stick.
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The cynic in me is that the media wanted it to be a stalker/murder case so badly and are now just having to run with it. But as mentioned, white yummy mummy as well, media are all over that.
They have no evidence she fell in though.Now you're just making things up.
From the BBC article today:
"Detectives said they were "as confident as we can be that Nicola has not left the field where she was last seen, and our working hypothesis is that she has fallen into the river for some reason".
"Our investigation remains open and we will of course act on any new information which comes to light.""
Literally the exact opposite of what you're claiming.
In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, they're focusing their investigation into the most likely scenario - your argument would seem to suggest they shouldn't be doing investigation until they have a reason to investigate
The river banks in the videos aren't that steep. If she's at a steep bit she could have pulled herself to a less steep area.
I find it hard to believe she went from supposedly falling in to being dead in 10 minutes.
The only possible way that might have happened is if she was pushed in, away from the sides, by someone.
I'll ask the posters, if you fell in that river are you saying you wouldn't be able to pull yourself out, or shout for help?
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