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Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)
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Voted out cameron has done nothing to change my mind since voting ukip in the last GE , I want this country borders secure end of, and there ****ing wide open to all and sundary at the moment to god knows how many loons merkel has let in.
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Lol, as an island nation we share only one land border with a foreign country -- the RoI. Two if you include the Channel Tunnel to France. I don't know how could you ever classify us as anything remotely approaching 'wide open' to 'to all and sundary'.
Lol, as an island nation we share only one land border with a foreign country -- the RoI. Two if you include the Channel Tunnel to France. I don't know how could you ever classify us as anything remotely approaching 'wide open' to 'to all and sundary'.
LMAO I consider 500 million eu citizens already, who can move here a drop of a hat to be all and sundary ! but lets not forget the 70 million turks waiting in the wings.
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I highly doubt turkey is just going to empty itself into the UK if it becomes a EU state
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So the vast majority of the continental population who never set foot here, nor have any reason to, the latter bit of whom are about as close to getting free movement as Cyprus is to forgetting its invasion? Gotcha. But the big numbers sure are impressive, I'll give you that, Raggs.
So what's your position then in or out ? The fact remains our borders are porous they can move at will
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Last time I checked, you had to have your passport checked to enter the UK.
Must admit I've always wondered what's stopping people just coming ashore via boat.
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I'm for remaining in the EU, Raggs.
And no, I disagree, our borders are not porous (OldCoals is right): we're exempt from the Schengen passport-free travel zone; we can turn back anyone without documents at our ports of entry; deploy our border officers anywhere in the EU; check that EU residents meet the criteria for free movement (reason to remain, funds, medical insurance, etc); and the Home Secretary holds the unilateral power to refuse anyone entry on security grounds.
The control of our borders and the powers are there, only if we'd stop starving the Home Office branches of funds, and start working on actually doing the controlling, exit checks and the like to the standard required. But instead we've managed to send a few silly vans 'round London, and cut back the department even further -- it's comical, I tell you; especially considering the rhetoric re migration.
Whatever failings there were in our esteemed HO fall far closer to home than the Brexit camp likes to admit, in all fairness.
Yes, I know the Leave campaign is claiming we might lose some or all of those exemptions in some uncertain, far distant future; but frankly, if our veto is good enough to stop EU-wide tariffs, budget hikes and the like, I'm not buying their anxiety over this. It's pure fiction, and they know it.
We are still waiting for Romania and Bulgaria to depopulate first, don't you know; but like the apocalypse... IT'S OUT THERE MAAAAN! *Twilight Zone tune*
And a populist politician still thinks we only have 750,000 Brits abroad, alongside the above magical event that never occurred; the real world and macroeconomics just doesn't work out in line with exact predictions nor populist fiction. Hence one needs to dig into these numbers and forecasts with some attention.
Dustmann's report did not offer an exact prediction but a forecast with a margin of error contingent on certain factors re German labour market being met; they were not, hence the higher number, but Labour ignored this caveat and the 'prediction' stuck with them, and the poor academic had to clarify himself on record explaining this when he was called up by the Beeb.
But the economic contribution bit of his original research was borne out by the evidence from the ONS we went over in February. Although, as in February, I agree that the support for local services and the distribution of economic migrants over local authorities has not been managed by the successive Labour and Tory government that well.
And no, I disagree, our borders are not porous (OldCoals is right): we're exempt from the Schengen passport-free travel zone; we can turn back anyone without documents at our ports of entry; deploy our border officers anywhere in the EU; check that EU residents meet the criteria for free movement (reason to remain, funds, medical insurance, etc); and the Home Secretary holds the unilateral power to refuse anyone entry on security grounds.
The control of our borders and the powers are there, only if we'd stop starving the Home Office branches of funds, and start working on actually doing the controlling, exit checks and the like to the standard required. But instead we've managed to send a few silly vans 'round London, and cut back the department even further -- it's comical, I tell you; especially considering the rhetoric re migration.
Whatever failings there were in our esteemed HO fall far closer to home than the Brexit camp likes to admit, in all fairness.
Yes, I know the Leave campaign is claiming we might lose some or all of those exemptions in some uncertain, far distant future; but frankly, if our veto is good enough to stop EU-wide tariffs, budget hikes and the like, I'm not buying their anxiety over this. It's pure fiction, and they know it.
I highly doubt turkey is just going to empty itself into the UK if it becomes a EU state
We are still waiting for Romania and Bulgaria to depopulate first, don't you know; but like the apocalypse... IT'S OUT THERE MAAAAN! *Twilight Zone tune*
And a populist politician still thinks we only have 750,000 Brits abroad, alongside the above magical event that never occurred; the real world and macroeconomics just doesn't work out in line with exact predictions nor populist fiction. Hence one needs to dig into these numbers and forecasts with some attention.
Dustmann's report did not offer an exact prediction but a forecast with a margin of error contingent on certain factors re German labour market being met; they were not, hence the higher number, but Labour ignored this caveat and the 'prediction' stuck with them, and the poor academic had to clarify himself on record explaining this when he was called up by the Beeb.
But the economic contribution bit of his original research was borne out by the evidence from the ONS we went over in February. Although, as in February, I agree that the support for local services and the distribution of economic migrants over local authorities has not been managed by the successive Labour and Tory government that well.
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Royal Navy Police?
We are still waiting for Romania and Bulgaria to depopulate first, don't you know; but like the apocalypse... IT'S OUT THERE MAAAAN! *Twilight Zone tune*
I imagine it's just like a large version of floatzilla slowly heading across the ocean, possibly being led by rubberduckzilla
.I have no idea. It was a sincere query
.Wouldn't that make them illegal immigrants?
Good point
. Ignore .At the end of 2015, 200,000 from those countries had arrived in the UK.We are still waiting for Romania and Bulgaria to depopulate first, don't you know; but like the apocalypse... IT'S OUT THERE MAAAAN! *Twilight Zone tune*
Am out for many reasons, far to many to explain to the in crowed. 
To be honest I cannot be arsed to argue with in voters anymore, its pointless
as they have no argument to substantiate their motion.
Both sides are the same the is no substantial evidence for in or out, I go with my head and guts and I aint been wrong yet.
I know a bad situation when I see one so EU GTFO of here!
To people who will point out my statement is an oxymoron of my point of view.
Its better to build from new than build from old.
To be honest I cannot be arsed to argue with in voters anymore, its pointless
as they have no argument to substantiate their motion.
Both sides are the same the is no substantial evidence for in or out, I go with my head and guts and I aint been wrong yet.
I know a bad situation when I see one so EU GTFO of here!
To people who will point out my statement is an oxymoron of my point of view.
Its better to build from new than build from old.
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True, but is this anywhere near the millions that were promised us?
And the Romania/Bulgaria split isn't as shocking either. We knew there would be more Romanians than Bulgarians coming in, since plenty of their skilled workers already were here, under the old visa regime; hence ex-pat links to the UK.
The old-Europe migration and non-EU migration is far more significant on top of that, with the latter always dominating; which is why May went after non-EU migration for the Tory target in the first place, putting up some rather arbitrary restrictions for political, election-winning reasons, which given our needs didn't work out so well (the NHS u-turn), and are still causing issues.
Nonetheless, I understand that on this issue, it really does come down to whether you believe the latest long-term migration forecasts by the ONS, OBR and Eurostat; anticipating a gradual reduction after the initial post-restriction-lift spikes; which will ultimately lead to the net migration figure (that's all migration, not just EU) settling naturally down to around 189,000-270,000 by 2020 (my own rough calculations were always above 120,000 net too or thereabouts); and whether that is still unacceptable to you as an individual.
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Am out for many reasons, far to many to explain to the in crowed.
To be honest I cannot be arsed to argue with in voters anymore, its pointless
as they have no argument to substantiate their motion.
Both sides are the same the is no substantial evidence for in or out, I go with my head and guts and I aint been wrong yet.
I know a bad situation when I see one so EU GTFO of here!
To people who will point out my statement is an oxymoron of my point of view.
Its better to build from new than build from old.
Creative destruction as IDS would say, eh?
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